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Has anyone received a kit from China in the past 90 days?
If so, can you provide any info related to tariffs applied by US customs?

Research has provided a flood of info making it difficult to determine which tariffs currently apply and which have been superseded.
Many tariffs may be stacked on top of each other and no telling what US Customs is in fact charging.
It’s one thing to have a 30% tariff and another thing to have a 100+% tariff!

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Regards, Dave
 
Has anyone received a kit from China in the past 90 days?
If so, can you provide any info related to tariffs applied by US customs?

Research has provided a flood of info making it difficult to determine which tariffs currently apply and which have been superseded.
Many tariffs may be stacked on top of each other and no telling what US Customs is in fact charging.
It’s one thing to have a 30% tariff and another thing to have a 100+% tariff!

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Regards, Dave
Definitely not 100% if any
 
I've also been following this issue closely and I believe you've correctly described the situation, not only with individual purchases from Chinese vendors, but also for any trade with the Peoples Republic of China. I'm afraid the best answer anybody can give is that you'll know what the import tax is when US Customs tells you. Until then, it's a moving target dictated purely by the President's whim without any logical basis whatsoever. If you wonder about the highly volatile fluctuations in the value of your retirement savings, this is why, and hold on to your seat, because the "pig in the python" of these hugely increased tariff taxes is about finished travelling through the python's digestive system and American consumers are standing right in the python's "line of fire." (The President tells us it's just wonderful that the government is raking in hundreds of billions of dollars in tariff taxes, but a lot of folks don't seem to understand that the American consumers are paying those taxes, not the exporting foreign countries.)

As of yesterday (or the day before,) the basic tariff tax on Chinese imports (with some exceptions which i don't believe include ship model kits) is now 55%. Theoretically, the cost of your $100 Chinese kit "before tax" was increased to $155.00 "including tax" by a unilateral Presidential executive order. As you have already stated in your question, the "basic" tariff is not evenan accurate reflection of the tax which may be actually charged. Tariffs on Chinese goods shipped to individuals in the US are imposed using the "Harmonized Tariff Schedule ("HTS,") which classifies goods and determines the applicable duty rates. The customs value, which includes the cost of the goods, shipping, and insurance, is used to calculate the import tax due. The US International Trade Commission classifies products and issues codes for a specific product which determine the actual tax imposed.

As you've noted, there are huge upward variations in the actual tariff taxes actually imposed on Chinese products. This is because of the effect of "stacking tariffs," which you've already noted in your posts. "Stacked tariffs" will increase the total import tax where they apply. Because of this, the cost of Chinese goods across the board to American consumers will be increasing substantially in the very near future, months, if not weeks, because the tariffs which were deferred repeatedly, again by executive order alone, are now finally fully in effect. It's a question for the trade economists to answer, but from where I sit, I don't think Americans are going to be able to afford to buy a whole lot of things we've become accustomed to buying before these tariff tax increases were charged and, in many instances, we aren't going to find substitutes accessible, either, because after these taxes there just isn't "enough meat left on the bone" to make it worth anybody's while to manufacture and sell them.

If tariff taxes price foreign model kits out of the American market, as it seems they will certainly do, even Ray Charles could see that this isn't going to "stimulate American manufacturing" of ship model kits at all. It's just going to give the American ship model kit manufacturers the opportunity to raise prices. From the size of the sale price discounts
on American model kits, it's apparent that the manufacturers aren't selling materials. The cost of materials and production must be quite low to accommodate the level of sale discounting we see without the manufacturers taking large losses and going out of business. In other words, even without looking at their books, we can see that there's a very high markup between the cost of production and the MSRP. This means they are selling the "sizzle" and not the "steak." Thus, in a free market, they will increase prices to a level the market will bear. Less price competition in the marketplace means the market will bear higher prices. The cost of kits is going up and those who want to build kits will pay that increase. Rest assured the kit manufacturers' "bean counters" have already calculated with scientific accuracy at exactly what price point enough people will quit ship modeling because it's too expensive and the price they can get is the price they will charge.

Every cloud has a silver lining, though. Perhaps the developments we are now experiencing may, in the end, elevate ship model building to the level of artistic esteem and respect it formerly held and truly deserves when the only alternative for those who continue to pursue it will be building models from scratch.
 
I've also been following this issue closely and I believe you've correctly described the situation, not only with individual purchases from Chinese vendors, but also for any trade with the Peoples Republic of China. I'm afraid the best answer anybody can give is that you'll know what the import tax is when US Customs tells you. Until then, it's a moving target dictated purely by the President's whim without any logical basis whatsoever. If you wonder about the highly volatile fluctuations in the value of your retirement savings, this is why, and hold on to your seat, because the "pig in the python" of these hugely increased tariff taxes is about finished travelling through the python's digestive system and American consumers are standing right in the python's "line of fire." (The President tells us it's just wonderful that the government is raking in hundreds of billions of dollars in tariff taxes, but a lot of folks don't seem to understand that the American consumers are paying those taxes, not the exporting foreign countries.)

As of yesterday (or the day before,) the basic tariff tax on Chinese imports (with some exceptions which i don't believe include ship model kits) is now 55%. Theoretically, the cost of your $100 Chinese kit "before tax" was increased to $155.00 "including tax" by a unilateral Presidential executive order. As you have already stated in your question, the "basic" tariff is not evenan accurate reflection of the tax which may be actually charged. Tariffs on Chinese goods shipped to individuals in the US are imposed using the "Harmonized Tariff Schedule ("HTS,") which classifies goods and determines the applicable duty rates. The customs value, which includes the cost of the goods, shipping, and insurance, is used to calculate the import tax due. The US International Trade Commission classifies products and issues codes for a specific product which determine the actual tax imposed.

As you've noted, there are huge upward variations in the actual tariff taxes actually imposed on Chinese products. This is because of the effect of "stacking tariffs," which you've already noted in your posts. "Stacked tariffs" will increase the total import tax where they apply. Because of this, the cost of Chinese goods across the board to American consumers will be increasing substantially in the very near future, months, if not weeks, because the tariffs which were deferred repeatedly, again by executive order alone, are now finally fully in effect. It's a question for the trade economists to answer, but from where I sit, I don't think Americans are going to be able to afford to buy a whole lot of things we've become accustomed to buying before these tariff tax increases were charged and, in many instances, we aren't going to find substitutes accessible, either, because after these taxes there just isn't "enough meat left on the bone" to make it worth anybody's while to manufacture and sell them.

If tariff taxes price foreign model kits out of the American market, as it seems they will certainly do, even Ray Charles could see that this isn't going to "stimulate American manufacturing" of ship model kits at all. It's just going to give the American ship model kit manufacturers the opportunity to raise prices. From the size of the sale price discounts
on American model kits, it's apparent that the manufacturers aren't selling materials. The cost of materials and production must be quite low to accommodate the level of sale discounting we see without the manufacturers taking large losses and going out of business. In other words, even without looking at their books, we can see that there's a very high markup between the cost of production and the MSRP. This means they are selling the "sizzle" and not the "steak." Thus, in a free market, they will increase prices to a level the market will bear. Less price competition in the marketplace means the market will bear higher prices. The cost of kits is going up and those who want to build kits will pay that increase. Rest assured the kit manufacturers' "bean counters" have already calculated with scientific accuracy at exactly what price point enough people will quit ship modeling because it's too expensive and the price they can get is the price they will charge.

Every cloud has a silver lining, though. Perhaps the developments we are now experiencing may, in the end, elevate ship model building to the level of artistic esteem and respect it formerly held and truly deserves when the only alternative for those who continue to pursue it will be building models from scratch.
We’ve been through this before, Bob. Ships of Scale is not the place for political opinions or commentary of any kind. This includes criticism of governments or leaders.

If you want to discuss tariffs, keep it strictly to factual, hobby-related details, NO political remarks, NO metaphors, NO personal political opinions. Further political posts will be removed, and continued disregard for the forum rules will result in moderation action. I am not kidding.
 
While Bob's political leanings were heavily intimated in his response, I don't think it was that unbalanced... and I learned a thing or two from it. I get your worries about the thread Jim but I think a lot of us Yanks here are worried about the tarrifs. Just my .02
 
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While Bob's political leanings were heavily intimated in his response, I don't think it was that unbalanced... and I learned a thing or two from it. I get your worries about the thread Jim but I think a lot of us Yanks here are worried about the tarrifs. Just my .02
By the way, I’m a Yankee myself, but... whether balanced or not, political discussions/leanings have no place in Ships of Scale. This forum exists for ship modeling and related hobby topics only. If members want to discuss tariffs, it must be done without political commentary or opinions. This is not up for debate. I have asked Bob (not once), please keep all posts within the scope of the forum rules.
 
Greeting all, like many I'm still on the fence about buying Kits from China until I have a clear view of the tariff, since what is advertise as cost is likely to be the base cost only. The second side (added tariff and payment procedure) is very unclear to me. Although it is a moving target, I'm quite interest in hearing firsthand experience (as with @rtwpsom2 above). As @Jimsky point out, we should limit the discussion to the tariff only, which we should respect to have this tread going.

For one, I'm very interest in hearing more... this is the best we can all have for more information.
 
Well, I suspect the only way we'll know how the tariffs are going to affect things is to buy things. With the elimination of the $800 threshold we may be in for a shock.
 
Has anyone received a kit from China in the past 90 days?
If so, can you provide any info related to tariffs applied by US customs?

Research has provided a flood of info making it difficult to determine which tariffs currently apply and which have been superseded.
Many tariffs may be stacked on top of each other and no telling what US Customs is in fact charging.
It’s one thing to have a 30% tariff and another thing to have a 100+% tariff!

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Regards, Dave

I can only speak to my recent experience, but not to the current state of affairs nor to the future. I ordered a Unicorn kit (1:160 Boxwood Enterprize Stern Section) from DryDock on June 26 and received it on July 16. I paid nothing more than the advertised price ($135) - no taxes or shipping and have not (yet) been contacted by customs. The shipping label had a US return address, but looks like it had been placed over the original, so I'm guessing it was a two step shipping process. If tariffs were ever charged for it, they were not charged to me. Granted, it was not a $1000+ kit, so I can't speak to that, however, my experience was positive. Hopefully the A.I. bots won't see this and cause S.W.A.T. to descend upon my domicile! ROTF
 
I can only speak to my recent experience, but not to the current state of affairs nor to the future. I ordered a Unicorn kit (1:160 Boxwood Enterprize Stern Section) from DryDock on June 26 and received it on July 16. I paid nothing more than the advertised price ($135) - no taxes or shipping and have not (yet) been contacted by customs. The shipping label had a US return address, but looks like it had been placed over the original, so I'm guessing it was a two step shipping process. If tariffs were ever charged for it, they were not charged to me. Granted, it was not a $1000+ kit, so I can't speak to that, however, my experience was positive. Hopefully the A.I. bots won't see this and cause S.W.A.T. to descend upon my domicile! ROTF

The shipping was included in the total cost .
 
We are in Australia so Tarrifs are not a problem. China is cheap but delivery is at least 3 weeks to six weeks. but seems to be reliable
 
personally i found Bob's post very interesting and informative and not political at all. As a maker of kits not a manufacture but a small mom and pop shop it is important to follow what exactly is going on. i personally see kits costing more and more and i think it will get to the point of becoming just too expensive. rising cost and tariffs in a round about way effect what i do. a bandsaw blade that once cost $25.00 is now $70.00 to $90.00 is it tariffs cost of steel imported what is it? Imported lumber is so expensive it is unaffordable.
If tariff taxes price foreign model kits out of the American market, as it seems they will certainly do, even Ray Charles could see that this isn't going to "stimulate American manufacturing" of ship model kits at all. It's just going to give the American ship model kit manufacturers the opportunity to raise prices.
Model Expo and Blue Jacket are the only two kit makers in North America and have been the only two for a long, long time. i do not think either one is greedy enough to take advantage of the loss of kits from China. If prices go up it is because of rising costs in raw materials. The business that cast guns for me has raised prices way up due to cost of metal and not greed.
even without looking at their books, we can see that there's a very high markup between the cost of production and the MSRP. This means they are selling the "sizzle" and not the "steak." Thus, in a free market, they will increase prices to a level the market will bear.
this i would not totally agree on you welcome to look at my books at the Lumberyard for model Shipwrights and the profit margin is very thin. Take the offering for the White Swan as a limited offer because to produce a full blown production kit there is such a small profit it is not worth the effort.
Every cloud has a silver lining, though. Perhaps the developments we are now experiencing may, in the end, elevate ship model building to the level of artistic esteem and respect it formerly held and truly deserves when the only alternative for those who continue to pursue it will be building models from scratch.

thus the start of the thread school for model shipwrights, personally i agree and see the writing on the wall. foreign kits will continue to rise until they price themselves out of the market. Or this will become an expensive hobby for only those who can afford it. Bob is right what happens in government does have an effect on everything directly or indirectly. You may or may not be paying for tariffs but somewhere down the line from raw materials to manufacture to sales you are paying more and more and the political climate has a huge effect.
 
personally i found Bob's post very interesting and informative and not political at all. As a maker of kits not a manufacture but a small mom and pop shop it is important to follow what exactly is going on. i personally see kits costing more and more and i think it will get to the point of becoming just too expensive. rising cost and tariffs in a round about way effect what i do. a bandsaw blade that once cost $25.00 is now $70.00 to $90.00 is it tariffs cost of steel imported what is it? Imported lumber is so expensive it is unaffordable.
If tariff taxes price foreign model kits out of the American market, as it seems they will certainly do, even Ray Charles could see that this isn't going to "stimulate American manufacturing" of ship model kits at all. It's just going to give the American ship model kit manufacturers the opportunity to raise prices.
Model Expo and Blue Jacket are the only two kit makers in North America and have been the only two for a long, long time. i do not think either one is greedy enough to take advantage of the loss of kits from China. If prices go up it is because of rising costs in raw materials. The business that cast guns for me has raised prices way up due to cost of metal and not greed.
even without looking at their books, we can see that there's a very high markup between the cost of production and the MSRP. This means they are selling the "sizzle" and not the "steak." Thus, in a free market, they will increase prices to a level the market will bear.
this i would not totally agree on you welcome to look at my books at the Lumberyard for model Shipwrights and the profit margin is very thin. Take the offering for the White Swan as a limited offer because to produce a full blown production kit there is such a small profit it is not worth the effort.
Every cloud has a silver lining, though. Perhaps the developments we are now experiencing may, in the end, elevate ship model building to the level of artistic esteem and respect it formerly held and truly deserves when the only alternative for those who continue to pursue it will be building models from scratch.

thus the start of the thread school for model shipwrights, personally i agree and see the writing on the wall. foreign kits will continue to rise until they price themselves out of the market. Or this will become an expensive hobby for only those who can afford it. Bob is right what happens in government does have an effect on everything directly or indirectly. You may or may not be paying for tariffs but somewhere down the line from raw materials to manufacture to sales you are paying more and more and the political climate has a huge effect.
Hi Dave, it’s clear you're trying to frame Bob’s comments as practical and economic, but... You are also repeating political framing and references to government policy, which is exactly the problem we are trying to keep out of the forum at any cost.
 
While Bob's political leanings were heavily intimated in his response, I don't think it was that unbalanced... and I learned a thing or two from it. I get your worries about the thread Jim but I think a lot of us Yanks here are worried about the tarrifs. Just my .02

nor do i find it unbalanced. that is just Bob way of posting stuff. i see nothing wrong with it.

There is so much more outside influences that effect this hobby and it is NOT about gluing part A to part B, or restricting peoples thoughts and options to just building boats from a box.
you can apply the concept of a multi verse to this hobby, there are so many layers so many ways to expand so why try and restrict it?
 
Hi Dave, it’s clear you're trying to frame Bob’s comments as practical and economic, but... You are also repeating political framing and references to government policy, which is exactly the problem we are trying to keep out of the forum at any cost.

so what! there are many things at play here that have an effect on what we do in this hobby. Don't play deaf dumb and blind and think it is all ok we have to adjust our hobby to make it viable for everyone.
 
i am not just some hobby guy playing in my own sandbox oblivious to everything around me happy gluing parts from a box together. I take a serious active approach to the hobby and this forum and i welcome ALL points of view and take them all in consideration.
so do not try and restrict me with rules and regulations.
 
We’ve been through this before, Bob. Ships of Scale is not the place for political opinions or commentary of any kind. This includes criticism of governments or leaders.

If you want to discuss tariffs, keep it strictly to factual, hobby-related details, NO political remarks, NO metaphors, NO personal political opinions. Further political posts will be removed, and continued disregard for the forum rules will result in moderation action. I am not kidding.
i found this informative and nobody was called a douche
 
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