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HARVEY - First Build

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I bought a cheap wood ship model of the Harvey just to see if I am really interested in doing this.I will take some pictures as I go and will probably ask a lot of questions.My back round as a retired carpenter and woodworker for the last 51 years should help a little.Thanks for having me!
 
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Hallo John,
I am very happy that you intent to make this building log - with this we are able to help and assist as much as possible.
I hope, that you can enjoy the work on the Harvey-kit - as you wrote already by yourself.... it is a relatively cheap kit and the quality of material is limited, but I ma sure, that a carpenter can also handle this - believe me: with quality also the fun is bigger, but for the learning procedure to get experience ..... go forward and show your progress
 
Thank You those photos will help a lot with the details as the instructions that came with my model are rather poor.
 
So this kit is terrible as far as anything fitting anywhere close to what it should look like and the instructions are no better but good practice and I am the type that it is going to work no matter what.It is going slow trying to figure out what step should be next and trying to make parts fit.Here are some pictures of my mess.
 

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Welcome to the SoS forum and your first build.

Keep the questions and photos coming, and the fine folks here will help when they can.

I have worked a few kits with its build from photos more then instructions.

Yet some kits come with fine step by step detailed guidance all the way thru.

Don't let the lack of instructions and sloppy fit deter you from making this a fine kit.
 
I have never built a model boat before but at one time owner a 43’all mahogany flush deck cruiser. I put in hundreds of hours as the assistant to a talented shipright as we replaced close to 30 mahogany planks and installed a new Kelson. I recently came across a model kit produced by marine model company for the Charles W Morgan #1089 revised in1957. It looks to be complete as best I can tell but I’m quite overwhelmed by the plans. I live in Minneapolis and was hoping that maybe through the form I could network with somebody who might be familiar with this kit. My email is tierneymark55@gmail.com.
Mark
 

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marktierney said:
I have never built a model boat before but at one time owner a 43’all mahogany flush deck cruiser. I put in hundreds of hours as the assistant to a talented shipright as we replaced close to 30 mahogany planks and installed a new Kelson. I recently came across a model kit produced by marine model company for the Charles W Morgan #1089 revised in1957. It looks to be complete as best I can tell but I’m quite overwhelmed by the plans. I live in Minneapolis and was hoping that maybe through the form I could network with somebody who might be familiar with this kit. My email is tierneymark55@gmail.com.
Mark
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Your going to need someone with more experience than I!
 
marktierney said:
I have never built a model boat before but at one time owner a 43’all mahogany flush deck cruiser. I put in hundreds of hours as the assistant to a talented shipright as we replaced close to 30 mahogany planks and installed a new Kelson. I recently came across a model kit produced by marine model company for the Charles W Morgan #1089 revised in1957. It looks to be complete as best I can tell but I’m quite overwhelmed by the plans. I live in Minneapolis and was hoping that maybe through the form I could network with somebody who might be familiar with this kit. My email is tierneymark55@gmail.com.
Mark
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Hi Mark. The kit issues are similar across many manufacturers. Use this forum, ask questions as there are many experienced guys here which will solve your problems. I had the same fears when starting my build and something these guys taught me is to research the ship and modeling techniques which you apply to your specific build. Use the help topics on this forum, so much info. At times a kit with poor instructions is more fun as it allows your artistic License to come out and play. Good luck with your Harvey, it is a cool looking ship with great history attached. Welcome and have fun.
 
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Hi Mark. The kit issues are similar across many manufacturers. Use this forum, ask questions as there are many experienced guys here which will solve your problems. I had the same fears when starting my build and something these guys taught me is to research the ship and modeling techniques which you apply to your specific build. Use the help topics on this forum, so much info. At times a kit with poor instructions is more fun as it allows your artistic License to come out and play. Good luck with your Harvey, it is a cool looking ship with great history attached. Welcome and have fun.
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Thank You Grant but I am building the Harvey,Mark is building the Morgan.
 
I made a little more progress on the Harvey starting to get the hang of it now but still slow going.I found some good close up photos of what this ship actually looks like.I would likee to do a double plank but dont know what it will effect as far as the rest of the build. I will update again soon feel free to make any suggestions.image000000 (3).jpg
 
So I spent some more time working on the Harvey,some of the parts were so bad I wound up making my own like the rub rails the scuppers were not even close to where the needed to be.I made new ones out of cherry wood.I got the masts started to.
 

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Some more progress there is a lot of missing parts mostly for the rigging there are no blocks or eyes or belaying pins and the plan is so vague I probably would not be able to get it done right anyway.So I am going to take it as far as I can just to get the experience.I have received the Albatros by Occre but will not touch it until I cant get any further with the Harvey.I eventually will buy some of the parts that are missing as I figure out where the rigging goes.Here are some more photos.
 

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First thanks to everyone and Happy New Year may it be better all around.

I finished everything on the model that I could with the parts that came with it.I have made a list of the rigging parts I think I need for the live rigging and will order after the Holiday.Here is a picture of how it looks now not perfect but not bad.

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Many beginners start with the inexpensive Chinese Harvey or Halcon. The come to the forum and are fightened to death that the model will turn out ugly or that others will have bad criticisim of it. I won't lie to you, in many cases a first ship is a bit ugly. However, too many people stop at that point and give up saying, "my model is a piece of shit! No more for me". What they don't yet understand is, yeah, your first model is not going to be neat, or pretty or even well made, BUT the next one will be better, a lot better than you can imagine. They can not see that four of five models down the road, other forum members will look at them as experienced modelers who know how to make a beautiful, neat, and attractive model. The point is, PATIENCE and persistence will make you a good or even great modeler after a few models. Know that persistence is not enough. You have to have patience WITH YOURSELF, accepting the flaws of your previous models, and ALWAYS looking forward to the next exciting build. The moment you stop modeling is the moment you stop getting better. A lot of us start with popsicle sticks... but years later, look at the marvels we create. (BTW, you can make some pretty awesome models with popsicle sticks, an art unto itself!) I usually say that those who stop at one model never had the passion, patience, and persistence to make model sailing ships in the first place. Perhaps they go off and create other types of great things they do have those virtues for in abundance. The ones who truly love the inspiration and adventurism that is at the heart of sailing ship models... those are the ones that grow into great modelers. This forum is the garden where we help grow that passion. You have to bring the patience and persistence with you.

Congratulations to BLD SHPS on his Harvey build. It's a great start. After you finish off the rigging, we want to hear what you intend to build next . . .
I want you to keep that model for at least ten years. After a couple more ships are done, go back and take a good, hard look at this model once again. Amaze yourself at how much better you've become and how much you've learned since this point in time right now.
 
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DARIVS ARCHITECTVS said:
Many beginners start with the inexpensive Chinese Harvey or Halcon. The come to the forum and are fightened to death that the model will turn out ugly or that others will have bad criticisim of it. I won't lie to you, in many cases a first ship is a bit ugly. However, too many people stop at that point and give up saying, "my model is a piece of shit! No more for me". What they don't yet understand is, yeah, your first model is not going to be neat, or pretty or even well made, BUT the next one will be better, a lot better than you can imagine. They can not see that four of five models down the road, other forum members will look at them as experienced modelers who know how to make a beautiful, neat, and attractive model. The point is, PATIENCE and persistence will make you a good or even great modeler after a few models. Know that persistence is not enough. You have to have patience WITH YOURSELF, accepting the flaws of your previous models, and ALWAYS looking forward to the next exciting build. The moment you stop modeling is the moment you stop getting better. A lot of us start with popsicle sticks... but years later, look at the marvels we create. (BTW, you can make some pretty awesome models with popsicle sticks, an art unto itself!) I usually say that those who stop at one model never had the passion, patience, and persistence to make model sailing ships in the first place. Perhaps they go off and create other types of great things they do have those virtues for in abundance. The ones who truly love the inspiration and adventurism that is at the heart of sailing ship models... those are the ones that grow into great modelers. This forum is the garden where we help grow that passion. You have to bring the patience and persistence with you.

Congratulations to BLD SHPS on his Harvey build. It's a great start. After you finish off the rigging, we want to hear what you intend to build next . . .
I want you to keep that model for at least ten years. After a couple more ships are done, go back and take a good, hard look at this model once again. Amaze yourself at how much better you've become and how much you've learned since this point in time right now.
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Kurt alias @DARIVS ARCHITECTVS
I love your post - so true words - well said
 
and btw: Really good work on the Harvey - I am looking forward to see the next model
 
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