Discussion Historical Accuracy vs. Creative Freedom: Where Do You Stand?

I was thinking this morning about my vast library of as yet unread books. I don’t have many models in the cupboard but my books are definitely SABLE (stash acquired beyond life expectancy) :)

Anyway, I sort them into the traditional categories of fiction and non fiction and that thought brought me back to this thread. I generally have at least two books in progress, usually half a dozen. I’ll always have a mix of fiction and non fiction. I’ll read a chapter or two then break off to make a drink, play with the dog, talk to someone. Then perhaps I’ll pick up another volume. Often though, I become assimilated by a good one. Resistance is futile and I’ll read it without stopping, through the night if necessary. On the other hand, if the book in my hand bores me, I hurl it away and try another one. Life’s too short to be bored just to finish what I started.

Reading is my principal hobby. The same pattern is discernible in my model making. I currently have two models in progress. One build is non fiction where accuracy matters to me. I read reference books for this one. The other is fictitious which enables me to write the story for myself.

And then there are those books which seem to be fiction, yet contain truths which have chanced my life. I suppose they have an equivalent in a model of an imaginary subject rigged with attention to detail?

I’m rambling a little, this is almost a ‘stream of consciousness’ post. My original point was going to be that there are so many very different books on my shelves, and so little time that even in retirement, time available is finite. I have some magnificent reference books, huge tomes that would take months to read - and perhaps keep me from a handful of those life changers.

Oh yes, there are the other hobbies too, including writing well in the glorious English language. They are all seducing me from the workbench.

Oh dear, I can’t spare the time right now to edit and properly conclude this post. And sometimes I simply don’t have time to make models to the best of my ability. Sometimes I bash them together as fast as I can. Sometimes, sometimes I even hurl them away and move on.

In my world, life is too short for the persistent pursuit of perfect accuracy. I don’t ever aim for perfection - ‘good enough’ is good enough for me.

Now, gotta go!
What a wonderfully honest and relatable post, Smithy. Thank you for sharing! I couldn't help but smile at the SABLE reference. (I might have a similar situation with reference plans and modeling ideas.)
Your analogy between books and model building resonates. Just like reading, our approach to modeling can vary from immersive deep dives to more spontaneous page flipping, depending on what calls to us in the moment. There's nothing wrong with sometimes chasing detail and other times just enjoying the build without overthinking it. That said, while I fully agree that life’s too short to be bored or shackled by perfectionism, I also believe that aiming for accuracy, when that’s what excites us, isn’t always about chasing perfection. For many of us, it’s simply another kind of fun, a puzzle to solve, or a story to retell as faithfully as we can. And yes, sometimes we "throw the book across the room" when it stops being enjoyable, too!

Whether we're crafting fact or fiction, or blending both with artistic license, I think it’s the love of creating that keeps us all coming back to the bench. Now, if only I could train my books and kits to shelve themselves properly… ;)
 
I started out with balsa wooden aircraft, mostly from the WWI era, then switched to plastic WWII American ships as Dad was a 30 year Navy vet.
My balsa planes were flyers, rubber band powered, and I stopped because my brother would set them on fire to see how far they would go (???). I loved the USS Constitution from Revell, working on my 3rd since the first two were destroyed, and have also started doing wooden models.
I don't worry much about "historical" accuracy, since that is a moving target, so I try more for relevancy. I also feel that the ships I try to build (amateur here)
are mine and as the captains of the Connie did, I feel free to modify to my liking if I so desire, but keeping the general make up.
To each his own, all modeling is an art, whether the medium is card stock, plastic or wood. And any model is an individual
interpretation of what the builder feels his model should present. In any case, the idea is to ENJOY, not perfection.
 
This has been an interesting discussion and I believe it needs to be pushed further...
So I am going to play the "devil's advocate" here with a question or two.
We heard that quite a few modelers building from kits or / and from scratch saying that they complete their project using some "artistic freedom".
Typically, almost everyone's project come from a box filled with parts to be assembled or a set of plans, or a complete monograph showing a specific vessel.

Now the 2 part question
Please define artistic freedom for you as an individual modeler. To eleborate on your answer, it would also be interesting to hear why (not how) you presonally use that artistic freedom in your project?

For the people who pratice Kit bashing, it is typically about making a vessel closer to "historically accurate" so that doest not really count, but then again some may be using that "artistic freedom" as well. If so, why?

I know, I know, some may read a bit more into this than there is, especially answering to the second part: some may think this is a trap, a loaded question(s). It is not... just help me understand.
It is information that is very rarely conveyed.

Here are 2 separate quotes that really caught my attention through the topic:
- "Some of the companies who produce "art deco" ships for display make crude to laughable models at times".
- "That’s the real beauty of our hobby: we each have the freedom to build what we want, and the way we want. Taking inspiration from a historic ship and putting your own creative stamp on it, like calling it Golden Hound, is exactly the kind of personal touch that makes a build special".

Bonus questions: how many people actually rename their ship if that artistic freedom is used extensively or not?

Than you.
G.
 
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Please define artistic freedom for you as an individual modeler. To eleborate on your answer, it would also be interesting to hear why (not how) you presonally use that artistic freedom in your project?
I don’t always rely on artistic license, but when I do, it’s usually because my skills aren’t quite up to the challenge yet, or I’m lacking the specific tools or equipment needed to follow the historically accurate or traditional techniques. In those moments, I see artistic license not as a shortcut, but as a practical solution that still allows me to complete and enjoy the build. It's a way of keeping the project moving while staying true to my own abilities and goals.

At the same time, I try to make informed choices. Even when I take liberties, I like to understand what the authentic method or appearance would be first. That way, any changes I make are conscious decisions, not just guesses. It helps me stay connected to the historical essence of the vessel while still being flexible enough to enjoy the creative side of model building. For me, artistic license is less about fantasy and more about adapting with respect.

This conversation reminds me why I enjoy our forum: it lets us reflect not just on models, but on what drives us to make them.
 
I don’t always rely on artistic license, but when I do, it’s usually because my skills aren’t quite up to the challenge yet, or I’m lacking the specific tools or equipment needed to follow the historically accurate or traditional techniques. In those moments, I see artistic license not as a shortcut, but as a practical solution that still allows me to complete and enjoy the build. It's a way of keeping the project moving while staying true to my own abilities and goals.

At the same time, I try to make informed choices. Even when I take liberties, I like to understand what the authentic method or appearance would be first. That way, any changes I make are conscious decisions, not just guesses. It helps me stay connected to the historical essence of the vessel while still being flexible enough to enjoy the creative side of model building. For me, artistic license is less about fantasy and more about adapting with respect.

This conversation reminds me why I enjoy our forum: it lets us reflect not just on models, but on what drives us to make them.

Thank you Jim.

Hopefully more modelers will be able to convey their sentiments on the subject.
And if you do, please use your own words (it would be better than just saying "Yeh, like Jim").

G.
 
That said, while I fully agree that life’s too short to be bored or shackled by perfectionism, I also believe that aiming for accuracy, when that’s what excites us, isn’t always about chasing perfection.

Yes Jim, I’ve thought about what you said and you’re right. Perfectionism is a psychological trait which leads some to constant dissatisfaction with themselves because nothing they do can ever be absolutely perfect. It may be learnt in childhood in response to overly critical parents. For some it can be a serious disorder.

It may afflict a modeller who prefers a historically accurate-as-possible project and it may affect one who prefers a work-of-imagination project. They would both ultimately be disappointed by their results.

If these two people were ‘cured’ of their need to be perfect in every way the only change to their modelling would be that they would be happier with their models.

I’ve been using the medical term perfectionism in a careless way as somehow synonymous with the accuracy guys. I regret that and hope I haven’t given offence. I didn’t intend to use it in a pejorative way, but I think I was doing so.

And that’s quite odd for someone like me who doesn’t keep his models (sees only their inadequacies), posts them online and points out all of their faults (before anyone else does), finds it difficult to accept praise (because it surely must be insincere and a possible set up, a trap), is their own fiercest critic (apart from his dead father), and rarely finishes a project (because a work in progress can’t yet be judged).

This morning’s insight is that it’s me whose perfectionism blights my hobby and that I’m drawn to semi-fictional goals because that allows me to easily excuse my ‘sloppy workmanship’ or what I was taught to see as my shortcomings.

‘Taint just modelling either. I’ve always been the weird bloke with different interests, beliefs, habits to everyone else. I thought I was an ‘individualist’ but I may well have been avoiding judgement by living my life to ‘different standards’.

Since this is an anonymous forum I’ll also admit to being fiercely critical of others in every way. I would never express it - I’m not a monster - but I’m secretly just like my Dad in this way.

What next for Smithy the modeller, Smithy the man? If I expose myself here by pressing Post Reply will I ever return to view the vitriolic replies I can’t help expecting? Will my Anson and Xebec projects ever restart? (Curiously, I haven’t worked on either of them since about the time this thread began.)

Only one way to find out…
 
I think I am one of the inbetweeners, a bit of historical accuracy and a bit free spirit. While my first 2 builds have pretty much been out of the box, with my current build of Endurance I have enjoyed researching historical aspects of the ship and making corresponding changes. In the case of Endurance this has been made easier with it being a more modern ship built since the advent of photography. However I have not become totally wedded to historical accuracy and in occasions have made changes that to me looked aesthetically pleasing. At the end of the day I place a high value on enjoyment and satisfaction.
 
Good Day Gentlemen,
I'd rather go with accuracy, given the fact that "accuracy" stands to me two things: perfect scaled-down job and coherence to the historical period. In my recent experience with the Hoy, studying the monograph by Antscherl, it's quite obvious the the author could merely presume anything not clearly shown in NMM draws, using other contemporary sources whenever required and taking some grabs non the less. For exemple, he goes wrong when he presumes the Hoy, actually build in 1760- 1761, had to be probably unarmed as UK was in peace at that time, forgetting the ongoing seven years war and the the ostility of frech neighbour at that time.
 
Yes Jim, I’ve thought about what you said and you’re right. Perfectionism is a psychological trait which leads some to constant dissatisfaction with themselves because nothing they do can ever be absolutely perfect. It may be learnt in childhood in response to overly critical parents. For some it can be a serious disorder.

It may afflict a modeller who prefers a historically accurate-as-possible project and it may affect one who prefers a work-of-imagination project. They would both ultimately be disappointed by their results.

If these two people were ‘cured’ of their need to be perfect in every way the only change to their modelling would be that they would be happier with their models.

I’ve been using the medical term perfectionism in a careless way as somehow synonymous with the accuracy guys. I regret that and hope I haven’t given offence. I didn’t intend to use it in a pejorative way, but I think I was doing so.

And that’s quite odd for someone like me who doesn’t keep his models (sees only their inadequacies), posts them online and points out all of their faults (before anyone else does), finds it difficult to accept praise (because it surely must be insincere and a possible set up, a trap), is their own fiercest critic (apart from his dead father), and rarely finishes a project (because a work in progress can’t yet be judged).

This morning’s insight is that it’s me whose perfectionism blights my hobby and that I’m drawn to semi-fictional goals because that allows me to easily excuse my ‘sloppy workmanship’ or what I was taught to see as my shortcomings.

‘Taint just modelling either. I’ve always been the weird bloke with different interests, beliefs, habits to everyone else. I thought I was an ‘individualist’ but I may well have been avoiding judgement by living my life to ‘different standards’.

Since this is an anonymous forum I’ll also admit to being fiercely critical of others in every way. I would never express it - I’m not a monster - but I’m secretly just like my Dad in this way.

What next for Smithy the modeller, Smithy the man? If I expose myself here by pressing Post Reply will I ever return to view the vitriolic replies I can’t help expecting? Will my Anson and Xebec projects ever restart? (Curiously, I haven’t worked on either of them since about the time this thread began.)

Only one way to find out…
Thank you for this post, Smithy.
 
Please, people who can pull off these magnificently detailed builds please, don't stop. This is how we learn. We're not copying as much as advancing and improving skills and technique historically accurate or not.

Tie me to a post and take aim, but I think this topic, like most, has grown into an over styled blob of what started out as a sexy automobile. Strive to build to your best. I do. I build better than I used to, but still not as good as I want to.
 
Yes Jim, I’ve thought about what you said and you’re right. Perfectionism is a psychological trait which leads some to constant dissatisfaction with themselves because nothing they do can ever be absolutely perfect. It may be learnt in childhood in response to overly critical parents. For some it can be a serious disorder.

It may afflict a modeller who prefers a historically accurate-as-possible project and it may affect one who prefers a work-of-imagination project. They would both ultimately be disappointed by their results.

If these two people were ‘cured’ of their need to be perfect in every way the only change to their modelling would be that they would be happier with their models.

I’ve been using the medical term perfectionism in a careless way as somehow synonymous with the accuracy guys. I regret that and hope I haven’t given offence. I didn’t intend to use it in a pejorative way, but I think I was doing so.

And that’s quite odd for someone like me who doesn’t keep his models (sees only their inadequacies), posts them online and points out all of their faults (before anyone else does), finds it difficult to accept praise (because it surely must be insincere and a possible set up, a trap), is their own fiercest critic (apart from his dead father), and rarely finishes a project (because a work in progress can’t yet be judged).

This morning’s insight is that it’s me whose perfectionism blights my hobby and that I’m drawn to semi-fictional goals because that allows me to easily excuse my ‘sloppy workmanship’ or what I was taught to see as my shortcomings.

‘Taint just modelling either. I’ve always been the weird bloke with different interests, beliefs, habits to everyone else. I thought I was an ‘individualist’ but I may well have been avoiding judgement by living my life to ‘different standards’.

Since this is an anonymous forum I’ll also admit to being fiercely critical of others in every way. I would never express it - I’m not a monster - but I’m secretly just like my Dad in this way.

What next for Smithy the modeller, Smithy the man? If I expose myself here by pressing Post Reply will I ever return to view the vitriolic replies I can’t help expecting? Will my Anson and Xebec projects ever restart? (Curiously, I haven’t worked on either of them since about the time this thread began.)

Only one way to find out…
As Dockattner said, thank you for your heartfelt expression. You stated "‘Taint just modelling either. I’ve always been the weird bloke with different interests, beliefs, habits to everyone else." I think this may apply to many of us. After growing up as a "different" person I, have come to realize that I definitely have a lot of characteristics of people who has Aspergers syndrome. But as an adult I can see how it has actually helped me in my life and career. (Of course there are also down sides).

I think one of the truest statements ever made is "You are a unique individual, just like everyone else!" We are all drawn to modeling for different reasons. For me it is the use of my hands and understanding and fabricating complex shapes. I am not a perfectionist, but I try to get things as close to correct as possible.

I guess what I am saying is that one should try to understand and enjoy who one is. At least in my case there is a deep satisfaction in understanding myself and being pleased, in most part, with the course of my life.

Rob
 
Please define artistic freedom for you as an individual modeler. To eleborate on your answer, it would also be interesting to hear why (not how) you presonally use that artistic freedom in your project?

here is an example for me that defines artistic freedom.

Why build an admiralty model? for years, I have had a model of the HMS victory of 1776, sitting on the mantel, and then on a shelf. The most dominating feature of that model is the tallow colored bottom of the hull. Eons ago when i modeled the USS Preston and the USS Texas the red bottoms of their hulls, except for the brass screws and rudder tended to block out any view of the superstructure. On an admiralty model the absence of the planking on the bottom half of the hull diminishes its bulky appearance and the open bottom is broken up by the spacing of the frames. The upper portion of the hull is separated from these frames by black wales. The open decks lead into the airy appearance of the rigging, giving the whole model a delicate balanced influence. You can focus on the topgallant or a truck without a white hull blinding you. An admiralty model is more pleasing to the eye.
Robert Bruckshaw

The takeaway here is the comment admiralty models are pleasing to the eye

anyone who saw an admiralty model would agree their openness lightness of construction gives them an artistic balance. They ARE a work of art.

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the framing is evenly spaced where the first futtocks set between the floor heads. This type of framing is very difficult to do. The models were built by a master builder Robert Bruckshaw and it took years to be able to build admiralty style models.

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what inspires a builder?

Taken directly from his Memoirs and in Harold’s own words. “The Boston Museum of fine arts really hit me hard. I found ship models in cases located in the halls of the museum. The thing that bowled me over, and forced me to reassess my intent in ship modeling was a gallery devoted to a collection of British Admiralty models. I had been patting myself on the back for being quite a fine model builder after the few opportunities I had had to see other noted people’s work. Suddenly it was revealed to me that I hadn’t even reached first base. The exquisite workmanship and detailing that I saw in the complicated Admiralty models had me eating humble pie.

We have two master builders one builds on commissions and for museums the other wants to create a building system for hobby builders to achieve plank on frame models. The problem is you can not build admiralty style framing in a jig you need a full solid individual frame.

if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it must be a duck. If it looks like a duck but clucks like a chicken then it must be a chicken in a duck disguise. Same applies to Bruckshaw's admiralty models they look like an admiralty model and built like an admiralty model thus they are an admiralty model.

this is the inspiration the style the end game. This admiralty style of models was Hahn's goal

Here is where the artistic freedom comes into play

Hahn's models look like an admiralty model but not built like an admiralty model thus they are not an admiralty model they just look like one.

the use of artistic freedom to reach a goal a simulation that resembles the original.

for me artistic freedom is to enhance a piece of work, artistic freedom as a tool to reach an end product that suggest a idea. for example when i plan out the framing for a model many times frames are place very close together so at a glance a viewer sees a solid wall of wood. I will use artistic freedom to change the framing to allow for space so when viewed it gives the impression of separate frames spaced apart.
if the historical framing is 10 inch frames with 2 inches space i will reduce the 10 inch frame to maybe 7 or 8 inches this opens the hull giving balance between positive and negative space.
 
Yes Jim, I’ve thought about what you said and you’re right. Perfectionism is a psychological trait which leads some to constant dissatisfaction with themselves because nothing they do can ever be absolutely perfect. It may be learnt in childhood in response to overly critical parents. For some it can be a serious disorder.

It may afflict a modeller who prefers a historically accurate-as-possible project and it may affect one who prefers a work-of-imagination project. They would both ultimately be disappointed by their results.

If these two people were ‘cured’ of their need to be perfect in every way the only change to their modelling would be that they would be happier with their models.

I’ve been using the medical term perfectionism in a careless way as somehow synonymous with the accuracy guys. I regret that and hope I haven’t given offence. I didn’t intend to use it in a pejorative way, but I think I was doing so.

And that’s quite odd for someone like me who doesn’t keep his models (sees only their inadequacies), posts them online and points out all of their faults (before anyone else does), finds it difficult to accept praise (because it surely must be insincere and a possible set up, a trap), is their own fiercest critic (apart from his dead father), and rarely finishes a project (because a work in progress can’t yet be judged).

This morning’s insight is that it’s me whose perfectionism blights my hobby and that I’m drawn to semi-fictional goals because that allows me to easily excuse my ‘sloppy workmanship’ or what I was taught to see as my shortcomings.

‘Taint just modelling either. I’ve always been the weird bloke with different interests, beliefs, habits to everyone else. I thought I was an ‘individualist’ but I may well have been avoiding judgement by living my life to ‘different standards’.

Since this is an anonymous forum I’ll also admit to being fiercely critical of others in every way. I would never express it - I’m not a monster - but I’m secretly just like my Dad in this way.

What next for Smithy the modeller, Smithy the man? If I expose myself here by pressing Post Reply will I ever return to view the vitriolic replies I can’t help expecting? Will my Anson and Xebec projects ever restart? (Curiously, I haven’t worked on either of them since about the time this thread began.)

Only one way to find out…
Hey, Smithy
It takes a lot of courage to share such a profound and honest self-reflection, and many of us can likely relate to the inner critic and the struggle with perfectionism in our own ways. Your insights into how this trait affects your modeling and even broader life experiences are truly valuable. Please don't let this newfound understanding lead you to abandon your Anson and Xebec projects! Beyond your own enjoyment, remember that your work likely inspires and guides others who look to you as a tutor or example in the community. Halting your builds might inadvertently stall the progress and enthusiasm of those who follow your techniques and learn from your process. Embrace the journey, imperfections and all, and know that your contributions are appreciated, regardless of whether they meet some ideal standard. We're all here to learn and grow together, celebrating the effort and passion you put into your craft.
 
Do as I do? At least it has the merit of being simple and easy to remember. ;)
While simplicity has its appeal, the beauty of this hobby lies in the diverse approaches and individual expression each of us brings to the table. Instead of "do as I do," perhaps a more fitting motto would be "build what you want and how you want," because here, we're a friendly bunch without competitions, strict rules, or judges offering critiques – just shared passion and support for each other's unique journeys. Your unique vision and the methods you choose to bring it to life are what make your creations special. Let's encourage each other to explore our own paths and celebrate the variety that makes this community so rich and engaging.
 
Let's encourage each other to explore our own paths and celebrate the variety that makes this community so rich and engaging.

this is indeed the key to the success of SoS the sheer variety of people and builders. Anyone is bound to find something. As a model builder regardless of your personal style you will pick and choose what you personally relate to and follow that build or builder. Personally, i do not follow kit build logs they are of no interest to me but SoS as a forum is of interest because it does cover subjects like 3D printing, tools, ideas, research and i like to try and answer questions from other builders.
 
Do as I do? At least it has the merit of being simple and easy to remember. ;)

I cited myself as an example of striving to build one's best and how it made sense to do so. Didn't anticipate anyone trying to change meanings by omission, and nowhere did I intimate anyone to do as i do

Strive to build to your best. I do. I build better than I used to, but still not as good as I want to is what I said.

But thank you Smithy, you've convinced me this thread has outlived it's usefulness. you can quote me on that.
 
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Artistic Creativity and Historic Accuracy are not mutually exclusive.

When I start a new model, I began with an overall artistic vision. This does not prevent me from doing careful research from historic resources. I also use an understanding of shipbuilding and engineering principles to interpret what I am looking at. Example; the now famous dispute on another forum about a longboat’s mainsheet fouling the boat’s tiller.

As the build progresses, it is necessary to make artistic decisions. For example, my current project has a riveted steel hull. An objective when I planned the project was to show this hull plating. After finding the plating expansion drawing for the ship, I have been able to do this. But, what about the rivets. Researching the riveting process, and studying two riveted hull vessels moored here in the Duluth, MN harbor, I came to the conclusion that at 1:96 scale, they would be nearly invisible at scale viewing distance with the model in its glass case. ( the same would be true for tack heads affixing sheathing on sailing ships). I chose to omit them!

On the other hand there are two steam winches for handling wire rope mooring lines on the ship’s deck. On the finished model, one’s eye will be drawn to these machines. At scale, each machine will be smaller than my thumbnail. Despite this small size, my artistic vision requires that they include as much detail as possible.

And finally, sometimes, one just has to make a decision! Designed to carry pulp wood on the Great Lakes, this vessel has cargo gear. The package of original builders drawings that I am using includes one for this gear. A second for the masts shows belaying pins for lines belayed to these spars. However, nowhere, have I been able to find how other lines, which were manhandled on the deck were belayed. Pins or cleats? So far I have opted for pins. Advice from and old salts with knowledge on this point would be appreciated.

Roger
 
When I start a new model, I began with an overall artistic vision. This does not prevent me from doing careful research from historic resources. I also use an understanding of shipbuilding and engineering principles to interpret what I am looking at.

And then utilise the three things to come to your decisions. I agree with every word.

I just wish I could have written it that succinctly. :)

EDIT: a fourth factor in my decision making is whether the improvement gained by a modification to a kit justifies the time, treasure and effort required to do the mod and/or the time, money and effort needed to learn how to do said mod.

See what I mean about not being succinct?
 
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