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HMS Blandford Questions

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I am having some problems understanding the assembly of the deck beams. On page 11 of the instructions there is a picture of a typical frame, in this case frame #10. It shows the laminates for creating the actual deck beam. Very clever as I am sure that scratch builders spend a good deal of time cutting in the notches. The other part of the picture shows the hanging knee, and the lodging knee assembled to the deck beam. On page 8 of the instructions, it shows the application of what is being called the thick stuff. Not sure but the strips supporting the deck beams might be called clamps, just not sure. In any case, the problem is the deck beam as shown on page 11 will not fit without notching the hanging knee. I don't understand how this could be if a prototype of the model was built before production. There are several build threads on the website, and I have gone through them several times. They are very credible builds, and it seems that they also saw the problem and cut notches in the hanging knees.

Could someone help me out with this. I built the lower deck as best I could, notching the hanging knees. In most cases, the notch made the difference but almost none of the hanging knees follow the curve of the frames and in many cases, multiple notches needed to be cut. Before I start on the gun deck (upper deck on the plans) I need to get my mind clear as to what needs to be done. I find the notching very disturbing.

Any help or suggestions are welcomed.

Thanks for looking.
 
ir3 said:
the problem is the deck beam as shown on page 11 will not fit without notching the hanging knee
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Can you post a picture? Hanging knees on the orlop were bolted under the beams (and sometimes the QD) but all the other decks had the hanging knees bolted to the sides of the beams. I cannot picture how/why you would need to notch the hanging knee except where the tail of the lodging knee sits.
Allan
ir3 said:
the strips supporting the deck beams might be called clamps
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ir3 said:
the strips supporting the deck beams might be called clamps,
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You are correct Ir. Clamps are strakes, sometime single, sometimes double, of planking that is thicker than other planks and support the deck beams. In the case of the Blandford which was built to the 1719 Establishment, the gundeck clamps were 3" thick.
Allan
 
Thanks for posting the drawings. Makes sense to me now that I see the notches in the outboard arm for the clamps and thick stuff. I was picturing the horizontal arm thus my confusion.
Allan
 
Hi all any other Blandford builders know what these parts on the photo etch sheet are ?
I thought they were for the cannon wheels .. but there's not enough of them
Also the parts in the 2nd photo
Thanks in advance
Andy

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maltbyguy said:
Hi all any other Blandford builders know what these parts on the photo etch sheet are ?
I thought they were for the cannon wheels .. but there's not enough of them
Also the parts in the 2nd photo
Thanks in advance
Andy

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Hi Andy.

The below parts are belongs to cannon's trunnion (single gun)
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those parts (my big guess) are from bilge pump, specifically cheecks. You bent alone the line to form a left and right cheeks.

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those are chainplates

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Those disks are might be shaves (definately NOT the gun trucks, they are lasercut wood), if you solder 2 together, you will have a shave. This is my big guess, I cannot confirm their actual use. @wuxiaomeng Can you clarify for us?

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Jimsky said:
those parts (my big guess) are from bilge pump, specifically cheecks. You bent alone the line to form a left and right cheeks.

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Maybe for swivel guns?
 
Thanks for all the input to this thread. Please post any other questions about the kit. It will be good for future modelers. After following several of the build threads, dealing with the hanging knees is a headache. Since on the lower deck, they will not be noticed so just notch and glue in. For the upper deck, it all depends on how much will be visible. With the decking installed for the guns, it matters not what the hanging knees look like. A lot of fuss over seemingly nothing unless one is replicating the Blandford as shown in AOTS.
 
maltbyguy said:
The large ones are 4.75mm
The small ones are 3.75 mm
0.3mm thick
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I am guessing this eliminates the idea of being sheaves. At 1:48 these range from 7" to 9" assuming your kit is 1:48 scale so could be sheaves for the blocks. But,as there are hundreds of blocks and dozens of sizes, there are not enough units or sizes. I am really curious as to what these are for.
Allan
 
maltbyguy said:
There are no swivel guns on the ship
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This made me curious and found that swivel guns on English ships were principally 1/2 pounders and were just starting to be made just after Blandford was launched. Perhaps she received some in her later life, but I would agree with Maltby that she would not have had them at time of launch. Caruana found a good bit of evidence of 1 pound shot being issued before that time, but he found no evidence/drawings/contracts for swivel guns for this size shot and did not speculate on this.
Allan
 
AllanKP69 said:
I am guessing this eliminates the idea of being sheaves. At 1:48 these range from 7" to 9" assuming your kit is 1:48 scale so could be sheaves for the blocks. But,as there are hundreds of blocks and dozens of sizes, there are not enough units or sizes. I am really curious as to what these are for.
Allan
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There is no rigging on this model just to deck level
 
AllanKP69 said:
This made me curious and found that swivel guns on English ships were principally 1/2 pounders and were just starting to be made just after Blandford was launched. Perhaps she received some in her later life, but I would agree with Maltby that she would not have had them at time of launch. Caruana found a good bit of evidence of 1 pound shot being issued before that time, but he found no evidence/drawings/contracts for swivel guns for this size shot and did not speculate on this.
Allan
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You are full of information Allan your knowledge is amazing
You must have a large library of ship books
Andy
 
maltbyguy said:
You must have a large library of ship books
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Hi Andy
My library is not nearly as large as some I have seen, but I invested in the classics over the years. The biggest find was when NRG sold their library about 15 years ago and sold off everything at prices that were downright cheap. I have also had the good fortune of having a mentor that is well known in the modeling community. Research has become something of a passion over the years and I have never hesitated to contact authors, painters and the museums. they have ALL been receptive to discussing my requests and questions.
Allan
 
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Hi sorry for a late reply, as Jim said, those Y shaped parts were for the Elmtree pump. There were no swivel gun recorded for Blandford armament altought it was being invented by then. And the two large rectangles were the cap squares of the mortar if you wish to build it (optional). There were many smaller cap squares for the cannons which you can find on the bottom (or right on this image) of the sheet.
 
Modelship Dockyard said:
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Hi sorry for a late reply, as Jim said, those Y shaped parts were for the Elmtree pump. There were no swivel gun recorded for Blandford armament altought it was being invented by then. And the two large rectangles were the cap squares of the mortar if you wish to build it (optional). There were many smaller cap squares for the cannons which you can find on the bottom (or right on this image) of the sheet.
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Thanks for getting back to me I am sure you are very busy with the new kit and Xmas on its way
What are the circular parts in 2 sizes ?they seem to have got everyone confused... not enough for cannon wheels next to the eyelets on your picture
Thanks Andy
 
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