Hms Diana 1794

[Henslow]

A very slowly project that started about 1994
Far from ready.
Now I decide that I only make the hull with guns and all equipment,most because the space a rigged frigate in 1/48 would take,it would be enormous

 

[BradNSW]

Again, awesome work! Thanks for sharing the additional pictures!

 

[Uwek]

I love it - very good work - I am happy, that you decided to start a building log - I am looking forward to see and follow the finalization of this model

 

[Henslow]

Struggling with the cabin doors and the hinges.
And after looking on models I think they had pin-hinges on the doors so the quick could remove them when they clear for action?
Anyway gonna have these doors closed.
Have a large library but the small details you looking for never shows up I don’t mind how much literature you have

 

[Henslow]

Then I wonder? Did they have wooden hanging knees or cast iron knees for the deck beams?
When I look at the late 1800century frigates they seems to have iron knees under the lodging knee?

 

[Bryian]

Wow, thats a beautiful build. Well done.

 

[Henslow]

Thank you Bryan this project have followed me years and years soon 30

 

[AllanKP69]

Did they have wooden hanging knees or cast iron knees for the deck beams?
When I look at the late 1800century frigates they seems to have iron knees under the lodging knee?

I believe the Robert Seppings system of using iron knees started with the Tonnant in 1776 and Culloden due to lack of proper wood. If you look at page 10 of the original contract for the Artois class ships, of which Diana was a part, there is a hand written line regarding the use of hanging iron knees. The contract is a type set paper with stock verbage, but edited by hand regarding the iron knees so a reliable piece of information. The contract is available on the RMG Collections website for free.
Allan

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[Henslow]

Thanks Allan for that info.

 

[AllanKP69]

Thanks Allan for that info.

You are very welcome, I'm glad to be of a little help. The contract is a wealth of information for an Artois class, be it kit or scratch.
Allan

 

[Alan Smith]

BTW- useless bit of information to burden your brains with. Pin hinges - properly known as 'rising butts' in the UK do make doors easy to remove and replace. But because the hinges have a ramp action they help prevent a door jamming against a sloping or cambered floor when opened - as on the deck of a ship.

 

[Henslow]

Thanks Allan for that info.

You are very welcome, I'm glad to be of a little help. The contract is a wealth of information for an Artois class, be it kit or scratch.
Allan

I was a little bit overwhelmed over all written information and I must ask you? They must had translate the old style of writing the text in a later period to make it easier for the reader? Almost like typewriter?

 

[AllanKP69]

I believe printing plates came into use for these contracts in the late 18th century. The wording for contracts for RN ships was VERY similar for any of their ships and often had a space where the actual dimension was written by hand The following are from Aquilon 1782 and Apollo 1792

 

[Henslow]

I believe printing plates came into use for these contracts in the late 18th century. The wording for contracts for RN ships was VERY similar for any of their ships and often had a space where the actual dimension was written by hand The following are from Aquilon 1782 and Apollo 1792
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Ok amazing I didn’t know that? I thought they wrote with a feather and ink? I’m happy I’ve learned something new thank you

 

[archjofo]

A very slowly project that started about 1994
Far from ready.
Now I decide that I only make the hull with guns and all equipment,most because the space a rigged frigate in 1/48 would take,it would be enormous

Even without rigging this is a beautiful model.

 

[AllanKP69]

Ok amazing I didn’t know that? I thought they wrote with a feather and ink? I’m happy I’ve learned something new thank you

They did write with flight feathers mostly from geese, but other large fowl were put to service: ravens, crows, ducks, peacocks, vultures, pelicans and turkey, as well as reed pens prior to using printing plates in the late 18th century. Page 1 from the 17th century for HMS Jersey (50) is below.
Allan

 

[Henslow]

 

[Henslow]

parts of the cabin with a bulkhead,but I don’t really know if I should paint it white or leave it just with a coat of warning,then it match the deck?
Or maybe just like the wall? Blueish grey color? Someone?

 

[AllanKP69]

Brian Lavery wrote about 6 pages regarding the fitting of the cabins in his book The Arming and Fitting of English Ships of War but makes no mention of the color of either the canvas or Deal bulkhead panels. There is mention in the contract for Diana of paint for the officer's cabins, but nothing about what color. There may be more, but I only have 14 pages of the Diana contract.
Allan


From a 1776 contract, again a description of what was to be painted, but no mention of what colors.

To treble paint the Ship within and without Board with good Oil Colours, and in like Manner the Great Cabin, Steerage, and all the Cabins, Rails, Stantions, Ladders, Gratings, Gangways, Bulkheads, Capstands, Upper deck beams, and Knees, and all the Work in Wake of them, and without board for finishing and compleating the Hull of said Ship, shall be done in a Workmanlike Manner, equal in all respects to those of His Majesty’s Ships of the like Quality in the King’s Yards.

This wording is in all the contracts I have from this era. White would be cheap and bright so probably the predominant color.

 

[Henslow]

Thanks Allan