HMS Enterprize 1774 - Shipyard

[Loracs]

I just received the detailed plans for the HMS Enterprize 1774. I ordered these to complement the kit from Modelship Dockyard 1:96, including Mats and Spars, sails and rigging plans. The plans are made by "Shipyard Marine Literature - Cat No PM:001. The plan was purchased from modelnet.co.uk and shipped to the USA. Consumer service at Modelnet was fantastic to say the least. I highly recommend then as a provider. Special thanks to @Gventura for finding those in the first place.

Here is a short description of the various plates.

Picture 1: Plans Box
Picture 2: History of the Enterprise 1774, in three languages including english. Two color plates.
Picture 3: Profile, hull body and transom. 4 plates
Picture 4: Detailed drawing of the profile, decks, bow and stern. 6 plates
Picture 5: furnace, cannon and masts platforms. 3 plates
Picture 6: Rigging plans. 6 plates
Picture 7: Masts, spars and sails. 8 plates
Picture 8: Launch, pinnacle and cutter. 4 plates

 

[AllanKP69]

Hi Loracs

These drawings look very nice. Are these as she looked when launched in 1774 or some other time period later in her career?

A really nice thing about choosing Enterprize 1774 is that there are the original plans held by RMG available for free in high resolution on the WikiCommons site so you can compare with these modern plans. https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/ind...ISCOVERY+1901+RMG+J7440.jpg#mw-category-media

Allan

 

[Loracs]

Greeting @AllanKP69, going thru the history, it indeed seen to be the year 1774/75. Thanks a lot for the link on WikiCommons. I will definitively compare it to those. The drawings are indeed quite nice. I'm happy for the added details it provides.

 

[AllanKP69]

it indeed seen to be the year 1774/75

The Joseph Marshall paintings of Enterprize that he did in 1777 may also be useful. Of note are the number of Great Cabin lights of which Marshall only shows five rather than seven as shown in the Shipyard Marine Literature drawings. I have no idea whether Shipyard Marine or Marshall is correct but it would be interesting to know where Shipyard Marine found their information. The Siren (28) 1773 body plan shows five as well. Not the end of the world, but I thought you might find this design difference interesting. The Shipbuilder's Repository scantlings might also be beneficial to you as well as the original contract for one of her sister ships, Aurora (28) dated 16 July 1776. PDF copy of the contract is attached in case you want to check it against the drawings.
Allan

 

[Loracs]

@AllanKP69 , you have a sharp eye. The kit I have was designed by Modelship Dockyard and indeed have 5 windows (unlike the 7 on the plan). It seen that the flanking decorations, which remotely look like a square window with a dome on top.... was interpret as such in the plan. Interesting observation.

 

[Uwek]

Very good, that I can see now the planset closer and in more details
Looking like complete to assist you in your modeling - helpful are especially the masting and rigging drawings, because these information are not shown (usually) in the contemporary drawings

Take also a look at the other ships of the class....

HMS Enterprise / Enterprize (1774 - 1807) / 28-gun frigate / Enterprise class

HMS Enterprise (1774 - 1807) / 28-gun frigate / Enterprise class HMS Enterprise (also often spelled 'HMS Enterprize') was a 28 gun, 6th rate frigate built for the Royal Navy by the Royal Dockyard at Deptford. She was the lead ship of the Enterprise class of 27 small sailing frigates. The 6th...

shipsofscale.com

 

[AllanKP69]

Good day Karl
I read the posts from 2018 just now and it is a WEALTH of information that I have saved and added to my plans folder for Enterprize. Thanks for posting the link for the new guys like me.
Allan

 

[Modelship Dockyard]

Hi Loracs,

Good images you got there, and thank you for choosing Modelship Dockyard! Firstly, I need to recognize their efforts on the drawings, but it should be clear that even if I haven't carefully studied this drawing set, there are indeed many inaccuracies just looking from the surface. This drawing may provide some assistance for your modeling process, but please be careful and critical when refering.

Vic

 

[AllanKP69]

Loracs,

Is the drawing that shows the mast the mizen mast or some other? If the mizen, would it be possible to post a photo of the main and/or foremast? THANK YOU

It is interesting and good to see that the drawings show the bottom painted with white stuff and then other drawings with what looks like copper sheathing which I think makes good sense depending on when the model is to be depicted. I imagine she was launched with the bottom payed then sheathed later when it became common practice after 1780 so you get to choose.

I look forward to following your build.

Allan

 

[Loracs]

@Uwek, thanks a lot... this a nice background research paper... very useful and quite interesting. A fair amount of information. Thanks for the post!

 

[Loracs]

@Modelship Dockyard, Thanks for the comment! I love the kit and the design. I'm so happy that some manufacturers are putting the time to provide outstanding products. I was planning of using your docs mostly. However, I may try to add the masts and rigging. It may be very ambitious due to the 1:96 scale... but truly worth a try and the kit quality justify the effort.

Really looking forward to the next wave of product... the Fleuron seen to be in the pipeline! Likely a gem in the making. Can't wait!

 

[Loracs]

@AllanKP69, if it was only me... I would very gladly do so... however, we can get into trouble in sharing copyright information. This is the reason I was careful at giving a look to the plan sets without being too inclusive. The plan is not too expensive and the provider outstanding. You may have to wait a little as it is often in back-order (don't hesitate to email them, they are very responsive and professional) but it worth it, even if it is only for the quality of the printout. You will get a far better view. As @Uwek mentioned the rigging data is worth a stop.

 

[AllanKP69]

we can get into trouble in sharing copyright information

Hi Loracs -
I understand and respect this. I was just curious to see how the masts and spars of the main mast compared with contemporary drawings such as the one below for a 28 gun of 1780.
Allan

PS. Were/are you Coast Guard?- Just a guess based on the acronym

 

[Loracs]

@AllanKP69, greeting Allan. The main and fore masts indeed look pretty much identical in shape and length. However, I can see a side flat plank on four side of the masts running a little more than mid mast to the "crow nest" (can't remember the term). The mizzen or the top masts does not have this feature. The main difference beside the length and diameter is that they are hexagonal at the bottom.

No indication of the diameter on the plan, a shame. Will need to be measure accurately from the 1:96 drawing.

 

[AllanKP69]

I can see a side flat plank on four side of the masts running a little more than mid mast to the "crow nest"

Not sure what you are referring to. The cheeks are only on two sides so I am at a loss unless there is a front fish and possibly filling pieces on the forward side, all of which reach up to just under the trestletrees. Every edge should be rounded, no sharp edges. The below is from James Lees' Masting and Rigging page 4.
Allan

 

[Loracs]

yes... this is exactly that. I'm not sure WHY I say 4 sides.... it is indeed on each side. sorry about the confusion.

 

[Spars]

Hi Loracs

These drawings look very nice. Are these as she looked when launched in 1774 or some other time period later in her career?

A really nice thing about choosing Enterprize 1774 is that there are the original plans held by RMG available for free in high resolution on the WikiCommons site so you can compare with these modern plans. https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/ind...ISCOVERY+1901+RMG+J7440.jpg#mw-category-media

Allan

I have a couple Shipyard kits in my stash. One happens to be Enterprise 1774.

 

[Signet]

I just received the detailed plans for the HMS Enterprize 1774. I ordered these to complement the kit from Modelship Dockyard 1:96, including Mats and Spars, sails and rigging plans. The plans are made by "Shipyard Marine Literature - Cat No PM:001. The plan was purchased from modelnet.co.uk and shipped to the USA. Consumer service at Modelnet was fantastic to say the least. I highly recommend then as a provider. Special thanks to @Gventura for finding those in the first place.

These plans look simply wonderful - color even? - a real boon to the modeler. Of course, also a double edged sword for me: I am unable to scratch build a model, and the plans will no doubt show all the inaccuracies of any model being built.

Being a retired engineer, I do love plans, however, and would consider buying some even if I'm not building the ship. But when I go to modelnet.co.uk, I don't see this or other plans by Shipyard Marine Literature. Just plans in Polish, I believe. Can you help in directing me to a site or page that lists catalogs available from SML?

 

[wsmallshaw]

Very nice set of plans, unfortunately they appear to be sold out. Can any member give me guidance on how to find the stern details for a specific ship? I intend to model HMS Nemesis of this class and would like to have an accurate stern for the ship

 

[AllanKP69]

Stern timbers can be seen on a few contemporary plans but stern decorations are pretty rare. Paintings are often the best source although there are the occasional plans that show proposed stern deco. And even less often there are as built drawings that show the final deco design actually done. A quick search for Nemesis turned up nothing at all regarding stern decorations. The only stern deco for the Enterprize class ships that I found, so far, is the painting below. If you do a thorough search at RMG Collections there are some contemporary models that show stern decorations that might give you some ideas.
Allan