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Keel Problem

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Time to quit flogging the poodle here. Sometimes the first answer is the right answer. There's nothing for it but to discard the present dog's breakfast and start over doing it correctly. You can't polish a turd.

Don't feel bad. It's not even your work. It's of no value. The wood is substandard. Use the disassembled old stuff as patterns and cut out new. Make adjustments for single layer planking and spile and plank it correctly. There's no point in doing the planking twice. Get yourself some nice Alaskan Yellow Cedar for planking stock. It's relatively inexpensive and easy to work.
 
This is the best result I got without damaging any plankings. I'll had to cut the ship in half both side just like the commenter said by the start of this thread. I feel sorry for this ship. The problem is with the bulkheads, they have been cut very poorly and assymetric. I don't wanted to Invest so much time to start the whole ship from zero. And the with the cost of the new materials I can purchase a new Kit and start another without any headache. The kit comes with some great carvings but the base is trash. In that case I have 2 option, I can dump the whole thing, and trash it. Or accept this state of the Ship. No idea
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AvB said:
This is the best result I got without damaging any plankings. I'll had to cut the ship in half both side just like the commenter said by the start of this thread. I feel sorry for this ship. The problem is with the bulkheads, they have been cut very poorly and assymetric. I don't wanted to Invest so much time to start the whole ship from zero. And the with the cost of the new materials I can purchase a new Kit and start another without any headache. The kit comes with some great carvings but the base is trash. In that case I have 2 option, I can dump the whole thing, and trash it. Or accept this state of the Ship. No idea
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Or, third option, fill the bulkheads with solid soft wood, such as balsa.
This will straighten the model as much as possible.
 
first are you building this model for a show or competition or are you building just for yourself?

if this is just a hobby project then what i would do is eye ball the hull from all angles if it "looks" not bad overall then continue. What you can do is back off with the photos so you get a longer depth of field and post a bunch of pictures from all angles that are in focus. Let us take a look and see if there are any glaring twists or unevenness
If no one is going to take critical measurements of the hull or it being judged with a critical eye then accept the challenge if anything you will learn a lot and that can be applied to your next model.
 
Dave Stevens (Lumberyard) said:
if it "looks" not bad overall then continue.
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The problem that I would have were I in AvB's situation is if I finished the model with its many irreparable flaws, the flaws would haunt me. Even if I did a perfect job on the rest of it. As time progressed these flaws would grow in significance in my view of it. It could become too painful.
 
AvB said:
This is the best result I got without damaging any plankings. I'll had to cut the ship in half both side just like the commenter said by the start of this thread. I feel sorry for this ship. The problem is with the bulkheads, they have been cut very poorly and assymetric. I don't wanted to Invest so much time to start the whole ship from zero. And the with the cost of the new materials I can purchase a new Kit and start another without any headache. The kit comes with some great carvings but the base is trash. In that case I have 2 option, I can dump the whole thing, and trash it. Or accept this state of the Ship. No idea
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If the frames are assymetrical, cut your losses and start over. This ship isn't worth the effort.
 
This is the very definition of sunk cost fallacy.

Learned the phrase from Aaron Sorkin - The newsroom - keep having to look it up.

"the phenomenon whereby a person is reluctant to abandon a strategy or course of action because they have invested heavily in it, even when it is clear that abandonment would be more beneficial."
 
To dismantle the old skin, if PVA glue is used, use a hairdryer; heating with hot air /100-150 С/ will allow you to separate the slats in the right places. When sheathing the case, I have a hairdryer tool number 2
 
Sandekus said:
To dismantle the old skin, if PVA glue is used, use a hairdryer; heating with hot air /100-150 С/ will allow you to separate the slats in the right places. When sheathing the case, I have a hairdryer tool number 2
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I'm sorry, but I can't imagine how a plank on bulkhead hull with bulkheads that "have been cut very poorly and (are) asymmetric" can ever be planked fairly. Bulkheads define the shape of the hull, and in most POB kits they do that poorly at best. Sometimes encouraging a multitude of futile suggestions, while admirably encouraging, only provides further frustration.
 
I got a Photo from above. As Dave Stevens said I will never be satisfied at the end when I'll Continue from here. I didn't cared the look when I purchased because it's rare to find any ship models at fairs, and I'll wanted to take a closer look, maybe i'm able to repair. So the most of the commenters said to dump the project and start another. Maybe it will be the best, I feel bad for this ship but I will dump it then. Thank you all!

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In this case, a fundamental mistake was made when installing the slats. The quality of keel frames is usually quite poor/often and crooked/. I clamp the keel between two rigid strips, mount the frames, install several planks and when the assembly becomes rigid, remove the fixing strips and continue the planking. The hairdryer allows me to glue and fix the defect if necessary. Judging by the photo, it's already firewood!
 
AvB said:
I got a Photo from above. As Dave Stevens said I will never be satisfied at the end when I'll Continue from here. I didn't cared the look when I purchased because it's rare to find any ship models at fairs, and I'll wanted to take a closer look, maybe i'm able to repair. So the most of the commenters said to dump the project and start another. Maybe it will be the best, I feel bad for this ship but I will dump it then. Thank you all!

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Don't throw good time or money after bad. This turd can't be polished!
 
Good job! nice model? no comment but continue

the posts of encouragement

never ever would you see a post in a model ship forum past or present calling someone's model a turd. you can get banned for such a thing.
AvB had a problem and wanted a true honest answer and that is what he got it's a turd.

SoS made me get up and do the happy dance finally blunt honesty even the bad models have a lesson to learn.

i can't wait to see what AvB does next keep us in the loop
 
Dave Stevens (Lumberyard) said:
you can go in a total different direction and create something like these steampunk art
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The first time that I saw the term "kit bash" it was plastic kits and it was what these 3 examples show.
To call upgrading and improving = a "bashing" is to be hyperbolic.
Now, to start with the kit or plan of ship "A" and use it as the hull of a different ship "B" and the other ship is not of the same class as A, is not an actual sister - and naming it B is to start with a lie. No matter what else is done it is not B. I should be named B-like or a similar name. Wishing has no place in the historical.
 
Dave Stevens (Lumberyard) said:
never ever would you see a post in a model ship forum past or present calling someone's model a turd. you can get banned for such a thing.
AvB had a problem and wanted a true honest answer and that is what he got it's a turd.

SoS made me get up and do the happy dance finally blunt honesty even the bad models have a lesson to learn.
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Amen to that! Nobody called his model a turd, though. It wasn't his model. It was a model he had acquired from somebody else who FUBARed it. He bears no responsibility for the poor workmanship. He deserves credit for inquiring whether it could be repaired. Frankly, I was more concerned by those well-intentioned souls who chanted a litany of suggestions as if they could "suggest away" what was obviously hopeless from the outset.

Here's to hoping one of these days that somebody will devise a kind and gentle way to say, "Ego strokes will be withheld on this build because it fails to respect the basic standards of care and workmanship attendant to the art of ship modeling."
 
Bob Cleek said:
Amen to that! Nobody called his model a turd, though. It wasn't his model. It was a model he had acquired from somebody else who FUBARed it. He bears no responsibility for the poor workmanship. He deserves credit for inquiring whether it could be repaired. Frankly, I was more concerned by those well-intentioned souls who chanted a litany of suggestions as if they could "suggest away" what was obviously hopeless from the outset.

Here's to hoping one of these days that somebody will devise a kind and gentle way to say, "Ego strokes will be withheld on this build because it fails to respect the basic standards of care and workmanship attendant to the art of ship modeling."
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Respectfully received and understood. I apologize for my ill-chosen, easily construed as disrespectful choice of words.
PG
 
There should be a shorthand way to say that a comment is intended to be taken in the light of the first lesson in the story of the frozen Russian bird.
 
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