Kingfisher 1770 1:48 POF

Ptèr said:
Well that's the essence why I build ships myself. It's the building journey I love not the outcome in particular. That doesn't mean I don't like a finished project, in the contrary I'm proud to finished her, but I miss the building part. The only way to overcome this is to start a new project and It's like expanding your knowledge and honing skills and explore new "to learn" skills for that new project. It's a never ending circle....

The life of a hobby craftsman....
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Yes, it’s the ongoing build process that appeals to me too. In addition I get a lot of satisfaction diving into books and researching the build techniques of times gone past. The problem is the more I read the slower my build becomes as I “unravel” my already constructed parts to reflect my new knowledge - I think I’ll call it the Odysseus Syndrome :D.
 
dockattner said:
My thanks to @Jack Sparrow, @Steef66, @RogerD, @Don Case, @AnobiumPunctatum, @NMBROOK, @shota70, @Jimsky, @Heinrich, @RDN1954, and @Peter Voogt for responding to my question and offering your thoughts and suggestions. I guess I'm not surprised that the comments ranged from 'just build what you can see' to 'build it all' - and nearly every suggestion came with qualifications. I guess, in our own way, we are all artists and build model ships in a manner that reflects our personal view of the craft.

The one idea that was shared that has been rattling around in my head the most regarded the purpose for which I build model ships: do I build for the eventual viewer? or for my enjoyment of the process? I have to 'back into' the answer to this by reflecting on how I react when people look at my completed Vasa. NO ONE has even truly noticed (seen, commented on, whatever) all the details I have included on that model. People are favorably disposed toward the ship - but they simply cannot take in all the details (indeed, unless someone has built a scale model the details are lost in the whole). It would honestly take hours to consume all the details, and no one has ever shown that level of commitment to a ship model in the entryway of my house. They look, they comment, and then they wonder what wines I'll be serving with dinner. So, do I feel like I wasted my time grinding on the details? Not at all. In other words, it turns out I built the Vasa for myself.

Building on that realization...I also know that the completion of the Vasa was a disappointment. Yes, I felt a sense of accomplishment - but I was also sad that it was over. The only way I can account for this is to accept (recognize) that I enjoy the process more than the outcome. I liked BUILDING the ship more than I liked having a completed ship.

To that end I'll continue to pour myself into the details of the Kingfisher because that's the part I like. The only hedge is that life is more than a model ship - so I don't want the ship (or the process of building a ship) to become an idol in my life. As long as I keep things in perspective and continue to enjoy the process of building (translation: as long as I remain challenged), I'll continue to do the best work I can - and that means adding details that only you and I will ever know are there.

Thanks for helping me think this all through.
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Very well put. Paul
 
dockattner said:
My thanks to @Jack Sparrow, @Steef66, @RogerD, @Don Case, @AnobiumPunctatum, @NMBROOK, @shota70, @Jimsky, @Heinrich, @RDN1954, and @Peter Voogt for responding to my question and offering your thoughts and suggestions. I guess I'm not surprised that the comments ranged from 'just build what you can see' to 'build it all' - and nearly every suggestion came with qualifications. I guess, in our own way, we are all artists and build model ships in a manner that reflects our personal view of the craft.

The one idea that was shared that has been rattling around in my head the most regarded the purpose for which I build model ships: do I build for the eventual viewer? or for my enjoyment of the process? I have to 'back into' the answer to this by reflecting on how I react when people look at my completed Vasa. NO ONE has even truly noticed (seen, commented on, whatever) all the details I have included on that model. People are favorably disposed toward the ship - but they simply cannot take in all the details (indeed, unless someone has built a scale model the details are lost in the whole). It would honestly take hours to consume all the details, and no one has ever shown that level of commitment to a ship model in the entryway of my house. They look, they comment, and then they wonder what wines I'll be serving with dinner. So, do I feel like I wasted my time grinding on the details? Not at all. In other words, it turns out I built the Vasa for myself.

Building on that realization...I also know that the completion of the Vasa was a disappointment. Yes, I felt a sense of accomplishment - but I was also sad that it was over. The only way I can account for this is to accept (recognize) that I enjoy the process more than the outcome. I liked BUILDING the ship more than I liked having a completed ship.

To that end I'll continue to pour myself into the details of the Kingfisher because that's the part I like. The only hedge is that life is more than a model ship - so I don't want the ship (or the process of building a ship) to become an idol in my life. As long as I keep things in perspective and continue to enjoy the process of building (translation: as long as I remain challenged), I'll continue to do the best work I can - and that means adding details that only you and I will ever know are there.

Thanks for helping me think this all through.
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Good morning and Succinctly put Paul. I knew you would choose to include every detail seen or unseen as it would not be a Dockattner build any other way. Cheers Grant
 
dockattner said:
Well, you have opened up a topic that I would like to gain some perspective on from the members of the forum...

The big question is: how much of the lower structures will be visible on a model like this?

Christian has mentioned some platforms that form a floor of sorts in the hold (located only fore and aft). Then there is a lower deck that runs nearly the length of the ship (stopping at the next-to-last gunport location). Then there is an upper deck that runs the full length of the ship. Then there is a sizable quarter deck at the back end, and a smaller forecastle deck at the front end.

The construction of these decks includes beams, knees, carlings, ledges... you've all seen fantastic open deck structures on other models. Of course, all this woodwork obstructs the view of whatever lies below (never mind the obstruction created by decking - even if it is installed sparingly).

The kit only intends for the builder to install the upper deck, quarter deck and forecastle deck leaving off everything below. I have already departed from that with the limber strakes and limber boards. But do I continue to add every layer with all its details or is that just silly?

I guess I wasn't even really aware of all of this when I started - but I am now entering a season of decision-making. I want to end up with a visually attractive and interesting model - but I also don't want to waste my limited modeling time, nor was I thinking this would be a ten-year project.

I'm genuinely interested in your thoughts!
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I would say that, if you plan to do a full frame-up on your next model, for a larger and more involved subject, then I would go ahead and frame it all for the experience. If not, then I would skip it.
 
dockattner said:
I was waiting for this suggestion. Good to know I can count on you Maarten!
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It is only the question in which direction the cut should be - you know our hull have 3 dimensions for the cut

BTW: No japanese saw is necessary for such a move - also smaller saws will do the job
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AnobiumPunctatum said:
It is as far as I know your first POF model. So I wood not do the cut and split the hull. This is a step you need a lot of experience.
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Christian, this is in the meantime a running gag......
I would also not cut this beautifull built hull
 
AnobiumPunctatum said:
It is as far as I know your first POF model. So I wood not do the cut and split the hull. This is a step you need a lot of experience.
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Why ……. I did it with my 1st PoF ……..
I think Maarten also …..
But as we say here: don’t go over the ice after one night of freezing …..
Regards, Peter
 
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