Looking for my next scratch project. Help with monographs.

[RickNoyes]

Hi fellow modelers.

I am nearing completion of the ships long boat from the monograph by Ancre shown below. This the second time I've made this but Im planning on using a different sail plan to the one I did previously. I would like to do another open ships boat (or similar open craft, with a bit of complexity. Something about this style of model that appeals to me is that you're making the internal and external of the boat as opposed to just the external shell as is the style of most other ships models.

My probelm is Im struggling to find something that appeals to me. Looked through all of the Ancre monographs and found a few but didn't really grab my attention.

The Ancre site has a good selection but I havent been able to locate anybody else that does them as well. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers
Rick

The previous one I madecan be viewed at this link https://shipsofscale.com/sosforums/threads/the-ships-longboat-1680-1780.13079/

 

[AllanKP69]

Hi Rick

As this will be a scratch build, maybe consider using one of the drawings of ships' boats on the RMG collections site, many of which are available in high resolution on the WikiCommons website. These can open you to many more choices.

A build log here at SoS will give you an idea of what can be done with the drawings and scantlings from David Steel for boats to render an accurate build at any scale you choose. https://shipsofscale.com/sosforums/threads/building-a-ships-boat.14490/

Both Brian Lavery and W.E. May also provide a lot of information on various ships's boats in their books that you might find useful.

I look forward to your next project.
Allan

 

[Uwek]

There are some interesting monographs of open boats from ancre, but this is of course subjective

Did you checked these:

LE MOURE DE POUAR​

S. Caterina​

BATEAU DE LANVEOC​

Bateau canonnier de 60 pieds​

all of them are not often build

 

[Bryian]

Rick,
If you would consider something larger like HMS Alfred, then I can help you.
I have a full set of monographs from reverend Romero.

 

[Roger Pellett]

How about the Vasa’s longboat? Drawings are available, contact the museum. Built to the same scale as your nice French Model it would be an interesting comparison.

Or

If you can get ahold of the 1898 Society of Naval Architects and Marine Engineers Transactions there are detailed drawings of the US Navy’s standard boats. The stream launches are especially interesting and I published an article in the Summer 1990 issue of the Nautical Research Journal about them.. The NRG office should be able to send you a digital copy.

Roger

 

[El Capi]

How about the Vasa’s longboat? Drawings are available, contact the museum. Built to the same scale as your nice French Model it would be an interesting comparison.

Or

If you can get ahold of the 1898 Society of Naval Architects and Marine Engineers Transactions there are detailed drawings of the US Navy’s standard boats. The stream launches are especially interesting and I published an article in the Summer 1990 issue of the Nautical Research Journal about them.. The NRG office should be able to send you a digital copy.

Roger

Here You have a fantastic model built I believe from scratch - but it is building the way correctly. Keel, False Keel, bulkheads. Then the planning, after first having inserted the gunports. As you will see until now; the build has NO deck or decks are inserted
It is a General ERROR as nearly if not all kit has. They cannot wait to insert decks, which only will give problems later on. el capi

 

[RickNoyes]

There are some interesting monographs of open boats from ancre, but this is of course subjective

Did you checked these:

LE MOURE DE POUAR​

S. Caterina​

BATEAU DE LANVEOC​

Bateau canonnier de 60 pieds​

all of them are not often build

Thanks Uwek
I did miss the Bateau canonnier de 60 pieds when I looked previuosly. This is a definate future build. Unfortunately it is out of stock at the moment.

 

[RickNoyes]

How about the Vasa’s longboat? Drawings are available, contact the museum. Built to the same scale as your nice French Model it would be an interesting comparison.

Or

If you can get ahold of the 1898 Society of Naval Architects and Marine Engineers Transactions there are detailed drawings of the US Navy’s standard boats. The stream launches are especially interesting and I published an article in the Summer 1990 issue of the Nautical Research Journal about them.. The NRG office should be able to send you a digital copy.

Roger

Hi Roger

You wouldn’t happen to have a link to where you can find the Vasa drawings. I would really like to do this one as my son, his partner and my Grandchildren are all currently living in Gothenburg Sweden and it would be a nice little nod to the grandchildren’s heritage.
I went to the museum web page but didn't find any obviuos links.

Cheers
Rick

 

[RickNoyes]

Hi Rick

As this will be a scratch build, maybe consider using one of the drawings of ships' boats on the RMG collections site, many of which are available in high resolution on the WikiCommons website. These can open you to many more choices.

A build log here at SoS will give you an idea of what can be done with the drawings and scantlings from David Steel for boats to render an accurate build at any scale you choose. https://shipsofscale.com/sosforums/threads/building-a-ships-boat.14490/

Both Brian Lavery and W.E. May also provide a lot of information on various ships's boats in their books that you might find useful.

I look forward to your next project.
Allan

Thanks for the info Allan

 

[RickNoyes]

Here You have a fantastic model built I believe from scratch - but it is building the way correctly. Keel, False Keel, bulkheads. Then the planning, after first having inserted the gunports. As you will see until now; the build has NO deck or decks are inserted
It is a General ERROR as nearly if not all kit has. They cannot wait to insert decks, which only will give problems later on. el capi

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Yours is a lovely model as well. Your methodology makes scence as well and I will definetly keep it in mind for futre if I should survive long enough to get back into period military sailing vessels.

 

[RickNoyes]

Rick,
If you would consider something larger like HMS Alfred, then I can help you.
I have a full set of monographs from reverend Romero.

Hi Bryian. Thanks for the offer but as I mentioned I'm kind of passonate about ships boats as opposed to the larger parent vessels

 

[Uwek]

Thanks Uwek
I did miss the Bateau canonnier de 60 pieds when I looked previuosly. This is a definate future build. Unfortunately it is out of stock at the moment.

The french version is out of stock, but the italian is still available.
and if necessary for you I can make a copy of the french booklet
The drawings are every time the same

Le bateau canonnier de l'an XII - Ancre

Bateau canonnier de 60 pieds Modèle An XII de Pierre Alexandre Laurent FORFAIT (1752 - 1807) Présentation d’une monographie au 1/36ème par Sophie Muffat, Pierre Grandvilliers et Denis Désormière

ancre.fr

 

[Uwek]

BTW: here you can find a planset review I made some time ago

Planset review - Bateau canonnier de 60 pieds / 60 feet gunboat - Modèle An XII" by Sophie Muffat, Pierre Grandvilliers and Denis Désormière

PLanset Review: Bateau canonnier de 60 pieds / 60 feet gunboat Modèle An XII by Sophie Muffat, Pierre Grandvilliers and Denis Désormière The authors describe here a small vessel built in several hundred copies for the Boulogne flotilla, in preparation for an attempted invasion of England...

shipsofscale.com

 

[AllanKP69]

One of the many plans that I love from RMG that can be found in higher resolution at WikiCommons is the 30 foot pinnace as it includes most of the scantlings on the plan. Looking at both the side view and overhead view this is one of the few drawings that is very clear that it is single banked in spite of it being a rather long boat. Many kit models as well as scratch models get this wrong because quite often only the elevation view is shown which shows only half the oar tholes and they mistakenly assume there are thwarts without tholes which was never the case.

Category:Ship plans of the Royal Museums Greenwich - Wikimedia Commons

commons.wikimedia.org

 

[Roger Pellett]

Rick, My contact at the Vasa museum for the longboat drawings was Fred Hocker. He Emailed me the drawings that are unfortunately now buried on a defunct computer. Also, If you go to the MSW forum and use the search function you will find a series of posts about this.

You should also try Googling Vasa Longboat. There are photos on the Vasa Museum site although not easy to find. There is also an internet Blog about a guy here in Minnesota who built a model of both Vasa and her Longboat.

Good Luck!

Roger

 

[RickNoyes]

The french version is out of stock, but the italian is still available.
and if necessary for you I can make a copy of the french booklet
The drawings are every time the same

Le bateau canonnier de l'an XII - Ancre

Bateau canonnier de 60 pieds Modèle An XII de Pierre Alexandre Laurent FORFAIT (1752 - 1807) Présentation d’une monographie au 1/36ème par Sophie Muffat, Pierre Grandvilliers et Denis Désormière

ancre.fr

Hi Ewelc and thanks.

I checked it out and the Italian version is 20 Euros more expensive than the French version? Is this because there are more Italian words per page than French? Haha. I might wait until the French version is back in stock. Thanks again.
Cheers Rick

 

[Uwek]

I checked it out and the Italian version is 20 Euros more expensive than the French version? Is this because there are more Italian words per page than French? Haha.

15 Euros, correct - I guess you will get the french booklet and an italian translation without the inserted graphics...... could be
but why not writing an e-mail to Didier Berti, the owner of ancre and ask....

 

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[AllanKP69]

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This is a great idea! Back about 1980 a friend and I asked a couple local yacht manufacturers for a set of lines from which we could build models. We wound up with the plans for an Islander 36 sailing yacht and a Californian 48 motor yacht from which we built solid plugs, then the molds from which we produced several of each in gelcoat and fiber glass just as the actual boats were done. I wish I had photos of those models now. The nice part for us was that there were a number of each type boat at the local marinas around Los Angeles and several owners were happy to let us aboard to take photos and measurements of all the deck fittings right down to the areas on deck where the gel coat was cast rough for a non slip surface. Even duplicating that turned out to be easy once we found a solution after several tests.
Below are photos of actual boats, the plans for which we had chosen. The Islander was done with two molds and the Californian motor yacht was done with three molds.
Allan

 

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Sailing Canoe, Piccolo

Light, lapstrake-planked open canoe for sailing or double-paddling. LOA - 12' 8" Beam - 2' 6" Draft - 8" Weight about 60 lbs. Sail Area : 52.3 sq. ft.

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