L'Orenoque Mamoli 1:100 scale

[Martin By Eye]

You have really advanced nicely, she is starting to look ready for sea ! love the railings, i don't usually work that fine.
I've come to a full stop ! Too much DIY to do on the house and gardening for the moment i am probably going to have to put things away for a while. Boo !

 

[The Gavel]

Your soldering skills becomes better and better, Chuck. Nice filigree railings!
Regards, Peter

Peter! Thank you! I'm glad you like them - working myself up to your standards. I should get there in the next 10 years or so

Blessings. Peace. Gratitude.
Chuck

 

[The Gavel]

You have really advanced nicely, she is starting to look ready for sea ! love the railings, i don't usually work that fine.
I've come to a full stop ! Too much DIY to do on the house and gardening for the moment i am probably going to have to put things away for a while. Boo !

Martin! Thank you! I'm enjoying working out the details.

Sorry to hear your news! My admiral was talking to me about "working around the house" yesterday. I reminded her that the bathroom remodel I did that took a whole summer was the last. We're hiring it done. My time is too valuable to be taken away from my models She agreed.

On the other hand, anytime you have the chance to make something with your hands is good time

I hope I can still count on you as my spirit guide on this build.

Blessings. Peace. Gratitude.
Chuck

 

[Martin By Eye]

Martin! Thank you! I'm enjoying working out the details.

Sorry to hear your news! My admiral was talking to me about "working around the house" yesterday. I reminded her that the bathroom remodel I did that took a whole summer was the last. We're hiring it done. My time is too valuable to be taken away from my models She agreed.

On the other hand, anytime you have the chance to make something with your hands is good time

I hope I can still count on you as my spirit guide on this build.

Blessings. Peace. Gratitude.
Chuck

i am not far away! Ask away if i can help with anything. I am going to install enough solar panels on my workshop to run my house and an electric car and forget about gas !

 

[The Gavel]

What ho, shipmates!

Some pictures of the completed ladder fabrication project. But first -

At this point I have several mini projects to do. I need to finish off the forecastle - railings and ladder installation. I also need to finish off the details of my anchor stowage for the twin catheads - make the anchors, make the supports and install supports based on zu Mondfled. That will finish off the bow section.

Then the forward maindeck. I need to make the pin rails and racks. Also needed are the galley funnel - I'll base this on the funnel from L'Aigle. Finally the forward pumps also based on L'Aigle.

Midships - there are three mini projects here. Sponsons - railings, further detailing based on the bateaux tambours plans from the Panama. The davits for the bateaux tambour are their own mini project. Then the railings for the ladders and the bridge. Almost forgot the entry-port ladders and davits.

Aft main deck - more pin rails and racks and eyebolts to service the main mast. Second set of pumps. Boat davits. Boats. I'm basing the boats on the scale plans for L'Aigle's boats - the starboard boat will be covered with a tarpaulin like my Harriet Lane boats. Since I'm showing a lot of action on the port side - I'm thinking to have the port boat open and in lowering position like the bateaux tambour.

Poop deck - railings all the way around including the ladders. Pin rack and eyebolts to service the mizzen. I'm also thinking about pin rails.

Stern - davits and the boat. Not sure whether this boat will be open or covered.

Now. Pictures!



BTW. I fixed the misaligned small hatchway - even my Admiral noticed it

 

[The Gavel]

i am not far away! Ask away if i can help with anything. I am going to install enough solar panels on my workshop to run my house and an electric car and forget about gas !

Ok. That sounds like work worth doing even at the loss of the modeling hours! Excellent! Glad to know you'll still be able to add your expertise to my build. Thank you!

Blessings.
Chuck

 

[The Gavel]

Martin, et al.!

Would an object the size and weight of the bateaux tambour be lashed down with rope or chain?

 

[BradNSW]

Chuck,

No reference, just intuition.

If one used two wood slats (one pictured in brown), chain "come-alongs" or a rachet strap would work well.
If one used the diagonal method (pictured in blue), straps or rope would be my choice, to minimize gouging/chafing the wood rails.

She is looking good with all these little details you are working on!!

 

[The Gavel]

Chuck,

No reference, just intuition.

If one used two wood slats (one pictured in brown), chain "come-alongs" or a rachet strap would work well.
If one used the diagonal method (pictured in blue), straps or rope would be my choice, to minimize gouging/chafing the wood rails.

She is looking good with all these little details you are working on!!
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Brad! Thank you! Shared intuition is the best!

Keeping in mind that the bateaux is a metal boat, would that impact your thinking on chain?

I was thinking diagonal because of the orientation of the eyes - there is nothing on the plans that says "there are the hold down eyes for securing the bateaux tambours", but that's what they look like to me. Nothing says they couldn't move 45 degrees, but I'm taking the orientation as a signal - intuition

I was thinking chain because the thing weighs 2.5 tons. I hear you on the rope method regardless of the hull composition.

Blessings. Peace. Gratitude.
Chuck

 

[BradNSW]

Food for thought:

It takes very little to hold a boat down in a cradle, see photos, both using straps.


Another interpretation of the below drawing could be:
1. The rachets (red arrow) on the end of each frame could be for tie down straps.
2. The 4 angled triangles could be used to reposition the cradle on the deck, using a single point lift. That would look like your crossed blue lines.


Hope this helps???

 

[Martin By Eye]

Martin, et al.!

Would an object the size and weight of the bateaux tambour be lashed down with rope or chain?

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i have presumed that the BT must be attached to the two hinged foldout davit struts by some sort of locking mechanism to stop it from moving during the flipping process. This could be straps or somesuch but i have my doubts. i would have thought a steel locking pin would be more adapted to this sort of weight and movement constraint. i cannot see anything marked on the drawings , which bugs me as they are pretty damn exact. i am under the impression that the inside end of these struts lock onto the davits and may actually elevate following their supporting curve, at least for the first (last) part of the flipping manouver.Either way it is a much more complexe operation than it first appears.
I think your triangular eyes would only be for final securing at sea and that you are correct in your crossover idea , as this seems to be common practise , and the angle does support it. It is also more economic weight for strength. I think the triangular shape is more adapted to chains, whereas rope would be rounded, but i may be wrong. That length of chain would be quite heavy, difficult to tighten,and if i am right in my previous assumptions then a rope would probably suffice,but i would go for chains, personally (they look nicer too !)
That's my contribution , for what it's worth.

 

[The Gavel]

What ho, shipmates!

The railing project advances. The forecastle is now safe. At least that's what I reported to the XO. I found that a thorough sanding with 800 grit pre-soldering and a hot (ouch-hot) water bath with baby toothbrush scrubbing post-soldering dealt with my blackening issues.

 

[The Gavel]

It occurred to me while I was walking this morning that I probably should have made the top rail with the same diameter that I made the posts. This would help make that top line more regular and help with the stability of the rail - the thinner wire would be the second rail. I'll be experimenting with that.

Blessings. Peace. Gratitude.
Chuck

 

[Martin By Eye]

Can see i'm going to have to up my railings game .

 

[The Gavel]

Can see i'm going to have to up my railings game .

Martin! I'm having the same thoughts

I might have been trying too hard to match what appear to be the proportions on my scaled L'Orenoque plans. Those railings on her poop deck are mighty delicate.

Blessings.
Chuck

 

[Martin By Eye]

that is one of the things i am not looking forwards to on L'Aigle, there are some really fine corkscrew banisters that i have no idea how i will do. Yet. And i have decided to work at 1/115 , glutton for punishment .

 

[The Gavel]

i have presumed that the BT must be attached to the two hinged foldout davit struts by some sort of locking mechanism to stop it from moving during the flipping process. This could be straps or somesuch but i have my doubts. i would have thought a steel locking pin would be more adapted to this sort of weight and movement constraint. i cannot see anything marked on the drawings , which bugs me as they are pretty damn exact. i am under the impression that the inside end of these struts lock onto the davits and may actually elevate following their supporting curve, at least for the first (last) part of the flipping manouver.Either way it is a much more complexe operation than it first appears.

Martin!

I have been thinking about both parts of your post. This first part - how did they manage to flip the boats? I finally figured it out.

I could always see these bars - yellow arrows, but I couldn't understand them from the Panama plans.




It seemed to me that they would interfere with the wheel. I was wrong. This from my Paddle Wheel Warships reference book:



Here finally is an original French plan from 1850 showing the same mechanism



Now I see that on the working bateaux tambours on my model (the port side) I have some detainling work to do

Thank you for your curious questions, spirit guide!

Blessings.
Chuck

 

[The Gavel]

that is one of the things i am not looking forwards to on L'Aigle, there are some really fine corkscrew banisters that i have no idea how i will do. Yet. And i have decided to work at 1/115 , glutton for punishment .

Martin! What were you thinking! I know about those bannisters! "How will the Caped Crusader come through this one? The answer in the next episode. Same Bat-time. Same Bat-Channel!"

Blessings.
Chuck

 

[JerryTodd]

Don't know if it's any help at all, but I did the "rails" for the spray tarp at the head using a wood jig I threw together from some scraps. I didn't survive the ordeal, but I got two rails from it. I hammered the last 1/2"-ish of each leg flat, and bent it for fastening it to the head-rails, and the joints all held up to that abuse.

I got a butane torch from Amazon a while back and it's been great for this sort of work. I've also used it for heat-shrink on electrical connections, and some pretty delicate stuff. Right now it's soldering chains for Constellation's shrouds.

Soldering paste is good for what you're doing, but a neat job of applying flux with a brush, and very fine electrical solder can actually be easier, or has been for me; just heat the spot with the torch, then touch the solder to it (like sweating copper plumbing). My hands aren't as steady as they were and using an iron on small details is difficult, the torch has been much easier to do fine work without having to touch it to the work.
The torch is also good for kitchen use, like scorching cheesecake, or so the cooking shows say.

 

[The Gavel]

I think your triangular eyes would only be for final securing at sea and that you are correct in your crossover idea , as this seems to be common practise , and the angle does support it. It is also more economic weight for strength. I think the triangular shape is more adapted to chains, whereas rope would be rounded, but i may be wrong. That length of chain would be quite heavy, difficult to tighten,and if i am right in my previous assumptions then a rope would probably suffice,but i would go for chains, personally (they look nicer too !)

Martin!

The second part - rope or chain for bateaux tambours lashings? I think you and Brad make excellent points about rope. Like you, however, I like the idea of chain. I am of two minds - particularly on the issue of tight lashings - much easier with rope and I am short of the correct size chain which has been allocated to bobstays and halliard tyes. But, having just re-discovered the rigging plans section in The Atlas of Maritime Engineering (Google translate) I may need to rethink my chain usage. We'll see

Blessings.
Chuck