Model Shipways "Flying Fish" Clipper Ship

thanks for the info. im going to look for the references... i love this stuff although a bit late for me to do anything about it now.

the flying fish was 1851... i see the glory is 1869. im not sure of the differences in age n how they were built but your info is interesting food for thought.

i wish we had better quality photos but that technology wasnt available then... im just greatful to see any images of the time. photography is my other mothers milk.
 
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paul ron,
While the 1850s didn't have widespread use of cameras, they had talented artists who captured these magnificent vessels in beautiful detail. Here's one of my absolutely favorite images of Flying Fish done by JE Buttersworth. This gorgeous, large piece was commissioned by her owners to celebrate her first place win in the Great Deep-Sea Derby of 1852-53 in which she beat 14 other crack clippers, including some of McKay's others! Look closely at her rear coach house front fascia. It features two arched windows with far more ornate gothic panels than the plain jane barn door treatment of kits. Here's the link to Vallejo Gallery which has 18 images, including log book entries of the famous win:


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yes yes yes! i really enjoy those paintings. my favorite part of visiting Maritime museums are close inspection of painings n photos. life on these ships just facinates me, extreme conditions and hardships but tough men endured it as just a way of life. i dont think there are many people willing to do this today.
 
yes yes yes! i really enjoy those paintings. my favorite part of visiting Maritime museums are close inspection of painings n photos. life on these ships just facinates me, extreme conditions and hardships but tough men endured it as just a way of life. i dont think there are many people willing to do this today.
paul ron,
You sound like a kindred spirit. As a teenager, I had the privilege of visiting Amsterdam in Spring of 1966. My dad, being frugal, chose to go there in March. Mom was pissed, because tulips she wanted to see weren't in bloom yet. It was rainy and cold. However, we did get to see the Rembrandt Rijks Museum. Besides seeing famous Rembrandt works up close, there were lots of other spectacular large maritime pieces. Seeing minute details was just mesmerizing. One of the most memorable was of Phineas Pett and the spectacular transom on Sovereign of the Seas. The entire stern was festooned with amazing, lifelike 24kt goldleaf carvings.
Later we went to Madurodam which is an incredible miniature city in the finest detail possible. Most of the time it was cold, dark, rainy but all in all, a memorable visit of a lifetime.
 
i do get glazed over like a kid on christmas morning seeing such wonderfuly painted ships. i love seeing actual photos n films of life on these ship, although those are of newer ships, but still in the tradition of sailing tall ships and the harsh environments they endured on what was routine then. imagin kissing my wife as i go to my job... " well off to work dear, ill be home for dinner in 3 years."

im now rigging my flying fish (its taking me a life time) so always looking for clues n info in paintings, stories n documents has become an obsession. although too late to include in my build that started 30 years ago. my only limitation is the scale im working at. i wish i did this ship in 1/4" instead of 1/8" but then id have a serious problem what to do with it once finished.

btw ornamentation was the main feature of craftsmanship... they went to great lengths decorating ships as works of art.

thanks for the paintings.
 
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paul ron,
Another pifall to avoid is miniscule lubber's holes on Flying Fish plans. From actual photos of Glory of the Seas they were completely open from fore to aft. A picture is worth a 1,000 words. So here's just a few: first is directly below a solid top on the 1843 Whaler Charles W. Morgan, the next two are from Glory of the Seas. Hopefully this information gets to you before you're building these. It will also make running shrouds a lot easier too.

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Paul Ron,
Rob Wiederrich and I are doing a reconstruction of Donald McKay's premier clipper Stag Hound. Referencing Duncan McLeans Boston Daily Atlas December 20, 1850. From this source, we learned that her forecastle height was set at the 5' high main rail. This arrangement was very similar to that of Flying Fish. The main difference being her main rail height was shorter by 6 inches. In the case of Stag Hound McLean mentions that in the after wings of the forecastle, there are water closets for use of the crew. Since she was equipped with a patent windlass with ends which ungeared, we discovered that an 1850 Emerson-Walker device met the description. Associated weight and height made us decide that this part would have been mounted 3 feet below the main deck. Opening up the area also created an 8 foot accomodation for crew. That meant the forecastle bulkhead would double as an aft wall instead of an open deck. We have now determined that such would have also been the same layouts for Flying Cloud and Flying Fish. Between decks on all of McKay's clippers were 7 feet or higher. So why would he then stuff his crew into short spaces like 4 & 1/2 to 5 feet? I have attached my conceptual sketch of the forward bulkhead on Stag Hound. Rob and I discussed water closet placement and determined, like those in the stern which were 8 feet below, those in the bow would also have been located below. In fact, reading an even more detailed passage about the forecastle arrangement on Flying Fish sheds even more light on this topic. He describes accommodations for one watch of the crew being set up below. Twin companions lead to these quarters. Before these companions are twin water closets (not aft) as current Flying Fish plans illustrate. This is our latest revision which I believe will lead to cleaner, more believable ship's forecastles on McKay models.

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