Occre Endeavour Rigging Questions

[stinkweasel]

Hi SOS.

I've been working on the Occre Endeavour and have come across two questions I have not been able to figure out with regard to the rigging diagrams. First on rigging diagram E included here:

Does anyone have any idea how to rig J42 on the forecast? Here is a pic of my forecast as it stands currently followed by the diagram where the line is supposed to be terminated on a cleat:




I'm at a loss as to what that line is for and how to rig it properly.

My second question pertains to this diagram on page N of rigging instructions:



The J134 is referring to cleats but I don't understand where they are supposed to go? They seem to be inline with the rat lines coming from the dead eyes on the chainplate. I just don't get it. Anyone build this kit and figure out this diagram? I can't see it from the finished pic and I'm stumped.

Thanks.

 

[Peter Schaap]

Hi SOS.

I've been working on the Occre Endeavour and have come across two questions I have not been able to figure out with regard to the rigging diagrams. First on rigging diagram E included here:
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Does anyone have any idea how to rig J42 on the forecast? Here is a pic of my forecast as it stands currently followed by the diagram where the line is supposed to be terminated on a cleat:
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I'm at a loss as to what that line is for and how to rig it properly.

My second question pertains to this diagram on page N of rigging instructions:

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The J134 is referring to cleats but I don't understand where they are supposed to go? They seem to be inline with the rat lines coming from the dead eyes on the chainplate. I just don't get it. Anyone build this kit and figure out this diagram? I can't see it from the finished pic and I'm stumped.

Thanks.

Hi,
I have only just started the build and don't have any experience myself yet, but you can find a video on YouTube on how to read the drawings: 'How To Read Rigging Schematics Of OcCre' by John Aliprantis.
He explains how to read the schematics for the yards making, the main rigging, the yards rigging, and the sails rigging.
Hope you will find an answer.
Greetz, Peter

 

[Jerome]

The line J 42 may be for hoisting the top mast up to its installed position.
Not 100 % sure but that seems like the only use for it.
In actual practice this would only be rigged when taking the top mast down or up.

The cleat J134 is most likely tied onto the rigging shroud.
The cleat would be tied on vertically in line with the shroud.
That’s done an actual sailing vessels.

 

[stinkweasel]

The line J 42 may be for hoisting the top mast up to its installed position.
Not 100 % sure but that seems like the only use for it.
In actual practice this would only be rigged when taking the top mast down or up.

The cleat J134 is most likely tied onto the rigging shroud.
The cleat would be tied on vertically in line with the shroud.
That’s done an actual sailing vessels.

With regard to J134, that’s what I was thinking too - but I can’t find any evidence of that in the finished pics of the model. I would assume the cleat would be on the inside of the rat line as the lines tied to them are all sail running lines.

I’m really curious if anyone has done this version of the model and what’s they did. I’ve watched Toms Models video of this build and he seems to have tied these lines to the rails.

 

[stinkweasel]

Hi,
I have only just started the build and don't have any experience myself yet, but you can find a video on YouTube on how to read the drawings: 'How To Read Rigging Schematics Of OcCre' by John Aliprantis.
He explains how to read the schematics for the yards making, the main rigging, the yards rigging, and the sails rigging.
Hope you will find an answer.
Greetz, Peter

Thanks for the reply! I’ve watched a lot of John Aliprantis. In fact he does a full video build of the Endeavour but it is not the OcCre model. I’ll be curious how you handle these curve balls when you reach them.

 

[Peter Schaap]

Thanks for the reply! I’ve watched a lot of John Aliprantis. In fact he does a full video build of the Endeavour but it is not the OcCre model. I’ll be curious how you handle these curve balls when you reach them.

Haha, thank you. I hope our members will be able to help me..

 

[Jerome]

The cleat would be tied to the shroud for strength.
The rat line is to light a line to tie a cleat that could be
under great pressure on certain aspects of sailing.

 

[AllanKP69]

but I can’t find any evidence of that in the finished pics of the model. I

As explained above these would likely be cleats secured to the shrouds which was common practice.

Does anyone have any idea how to rig J42 on the forecast?

The drawing is not clear so it is difficult to know what line this is supposed to be, the jeers or top rope pendant or maybe something else. It is difficult to be sure with all the lines jumbled together in the drawing. These lines are explained in Steel's The Elements and Practice of Rigging and Seamanship which can be found on the internet for a complete free download and Lees' The Masting and Rigging of English ships of War with text and drawings on pages 55, 56, 64 and 65. Do the instructions give a name for J42? If accuracy is a priority for you I would not trust the kit drawings without comparing to more trusted sources first.
Allan

 

[Winter]

Does anyone have any idea how to rig J42 on the forecast? Here is a pic of my forecast as it stands currently followed by the diagram where the line is supposed to be terminated on a cleat:

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[AllanKP69]

This looks a lot like the top rope pendant rigging shown in Lees book. Two sources by well respected authors with the same design has me convinced that this is a good choice for how to rig them. Seems like anyone building Endeavour would benefit greatly from having the AOS book as the drawings are much clearer and accurate.
Allan