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Occre trinidad stern ornament

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I'm looking to build this next BUT her rear end is atrocious
Has anyone successfully 3D modeled it ? or will i have to search craft stores for replacement ornamental items in order to make it from scratch

I'm baffled how Occre thinks leaving it blank is adequate

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I'm looking to build this next BUT her rear end is atrocious
Has anyone successfully 3D modeled it ? or will i have to search craft stores for replacement ornamental items in order to make it from scratch

I'm baffled how Occre thinks leaving it blank is adequate

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If you have a stern view plan that shows the decoration, maybe you can get it photo-etched in brass. There are many business that do photo-etching.
 
Are you speaking about Nuestra Señora de la Santísima Trinidad launched in 1769? There is a model of her in one of the museums in Spain. They may have photos of her that will help you.
Allan


Allan
 
I'm looking to build this next BUT her rear end is atrocious
Has anyone successfully 3D modeled it ? or will i have to search craft stores for replacement ornamental items in order to make it from scratch

I'm baffled how Occre thinks leaving it blank is adequate

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I'm convinced that occre expects everyone to fill a room with models so there's too much distraction to notice major details.
 
A good photo of the decoration might be able to be converted to a 3-D object in Blender, the printed with a resin printer. I have made a few computer models using this method. SeaModels can make 3-D models inexpensively. Maybe you could ask him.
 
Estoy pensando en construir esto a continuación, PERO su parte trasera es atroz.
¿Alguien lo ha modelado en 3D con éxito? ¿O tendré que buscar en tiendas de manualidades artículos ornamentales de repuesto para hacerlo desde cero?

Me desconcierta cómo Occre piensa que dejarlo en blanco es suficiente.

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RThe mirror isn't really a good fit. A Spanish model maker, Liberto Amate Aguilar is building The Holy Trinity Sen, the variant of the 1798-1803 reform. He has a Facebook page with his name. Take a look and see if it helps. If I can find it, I'll give you the link.
 
Estoy pensando en construir esto a continuación, PERO su parte trasera es atroz.
¿Alguien lo ha modelado en 3D con éxito? ¿O tendré que buscar en tiendas de manualidades artículos ornamentales de repuesto para hacerlo desde cero?

Me desconcierta cómo Occre piensa que dejarlo en blanco es suficiente.

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I have the original 3D model
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Hi everyone,
I’ve been researching the Santísima Trinidad (ST) lately and wanted to share some insights regarding the models housed in the Museo Naval de Madrid. Probably more for my own benefit than for the experts among us, I have been diving deeper into my preparations for the future build. For any modeler tackling a kit like the one from OcCre, as I am planning to do, understanding the history of these models is key.

The Dockyard Model: The Original Design (1766-1769)
The museum's centerpiece is a stunning dockyard model (or modelo de arsenal). In the 18th century, these were technical prototypes used by engineers to refine a design before full-scale construction.
This model represents the ST as she was originally conceived:
  • An elegant three-decker with 112 to 116 guns.
  • A refined English-style stern with three levels of galleries and an open, ornate design.
  • Interestingly, the stern bears the inscription "El Real Carlos 1766". This was a dedication to King Carlos III, which caused a long-standing historical error: for decades, this model was misidentified as the ship Real Carlos. It has since been proven beyond doubt to be the original design for the Trinidadby Matthew and Ignacio Mullán (Ref: Plan PB-0197).
The Trafalgar Configuration: The Floating Fortress (1805)
The museum also holds documentation and later display models (often based on the research of Rafael Berenguer) that show the ship as she appeared during the Battle of Trafalgar:
  • Following major reconstructions in 1795-1796, the spar deck was enclosed, turning her into the world’s only four-decker with 136 to 140 guns.
  • By this time, the ship had become a massive "wooden wall." The stern was simplified and made much heavier to support the structural changes, losing some of the elegance seen in the early dockyard model.
The Final Fate
The ST did not sink during the heat of battle. Though she was dismasted and surrendered to the British, she survived the initial engagement. It was a violent storm on October 24, 1805, that sealed her fate. The British scuttled her near Cádiz to prevent her from being recaptured by the Spanish.

My question
While the OcCre kit is based on the 140-gun Trafalgar version, I find the stern in the kit to be a bit lacking compared to the original dockyard model.
I'm curious to hear your thoughts on the differences between the dockyard version and the Trafalgar kit. Has anyone here attempted to modify the OcCre stern to look more like the 1769 original, or do you prefer the rugged look of the final configuration?

Sources for further research:
  • Modelos de arsenal del Museo Naval de Madrid (2004) – Definitive work on Spanish naval construction.
  • El navío Santísima Trinidad by Joaquín Rodríguez Crespo – Excellent structural reconstructions.
  • The Mullan Plans (Ref: PB-0197) – The original 1769 blueprints.

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I'm convinced that occre expects everyone to fill a room with models so there's too much distraction to notice major details.

mberg, you win today's Best of the Internet prize for diplomatic understatement! :D

I'm convinced that anybody contemplating spending nearly $800 USD for any "medi-OcCre" model to just walk the other way! There are too many reasons to count the ways, but mberg has very artfully summarized all of them. OcCre's model line is in many respects a contradiction in that they offer "simplified," inaccurate models of complex, highly detailed subjects. In the end, even when the builder can overcome the challenges of less than adequate instructions, lower quality materials, and out-of-scale fittings, the result is a model that looks like a toy.

Your "good eye" for a quality model is correctly offended by OcCre's slipshod treatment of the stern decoration. Don't forget that that's just the stern. The entire model suffers from the same "dumbed down" details. Given the underlying unsophisticated detail of the stock OcCre model, adding the beautifully detailed after-market 3D-modeled "gingerbread" would only be an exercise in "putting lipstick on a pig." In this instance, if your ambition is to build any sort of "monster" expert-level ship-of-the line model, you'd be well advised to bite the bullet a bit harder and buy the most highly recommended kit of such a model you can find. As you are looking for a kit, you may have to find another ship of the line that's available in a high-quality kit. (Artisania Latina's Santissima Trinidad is no better, if not worse, than OcCre's.) That may be disappointing if your heart is set on Santissima Trinidad, but it's a fact of life that the kit modeler is limited to the subjects that are available on the marekt at any given time. Fortunately, there are many similar subjects, some of high quality, from which to choose an alternate subject. Study the build logs closely to make an informed choice. You will be glad you did and your time will be far better spent building it.

Beyond that, there's no way I can do better with words than mberg already has. A picture is worth a thousand words. Compare the two below. Which model would you rather live with as your "masterpiece" for the rest of your days?



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The stern that you show on the model built from the OcCre kit looks suspiciously similar to that of HMS Victory! Is is possible that OcCre took a Victory kit and marketed is as Santisima Trinidad? With that misshapen stern what else is wrong?

Roger
 
I used what came with the kit. I modified it to my liking. Any resemblance to reality is purely coincidental.:)

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