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Rigging for models of ships less described than HMS Victory.

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Hi. I am interested in how people are rigging their models when their building design is just described as in monographs as author Bordeaux of this and that ship. I had never owned a monograph as this. Do these books have comprehensive descriptions of how to rig the model?

I am asking this as I am building HMS Victory and now I am at rigging work. The hull is not a problem at all. It can be built using just one book: The 100 gun ship Victory by John McKay. This book has very good tables with all rigging items named and sizes required. It however has no details of how the rigging items look like and how they must be applied.

For better understanding of how the rigging looks like I use wonderful book The Anatomy of Nelsons Ships by N. Longridge. This book is really good but makes my brain to explode with detailed verbal descriptions. It has however very few pictures helping to create a model. I sometimes spend weeks trying to understand what the fellow wanted to say and to bring the information from this book into a real action of laying just one piece of rope on my model. (would not it be a million times easier if he just drew a simple sketch instead).

When reading Longridge and McKay it is not enough for me to understand what is a next step I should take with my model, I refer to incredibly good book HMS VICTORY by Alan McGowan. This one fortunately has no descriptive texts but only has wonderful set of rigging drawings. Drawings are very good but not always allow me to understand right away how the rope described in previous two books should be applied on my model.

So this is how I am struggling bouncing between three books and going baby steps ahead with the model. I however am confident that these three books have enough information to finish my Victory model whatever difficult and time consuming it is.

I am interested if other ships being built by the modelers have enough information on how to make the rigging on their ships. I am especially interested if the ship monograph books have sufficient rigging information.
 
Generally speaking, the monograph will contain a list of rope sizes in circumference for each area of rigging. It will also give the sizes and types of blocks and tackle to be used to rig the line. Then there will be a drawing of the standing rigging and one of running rigging. This will tell you what lines go where but not specifically how to tie them off. I think there is an expectation that you either will have enough nautical knowledge to do the rigging from there or will have enough reference material at hand to help you complete any gaps in your knowledge.
 
I think there is an expectation that you either will have enough nautical knowledge to do the rigging from there or will have enough reference material at hand to help you complete any gaps in your knowledge.
Got it. Thanks. Could you show an example (screenshot) of how they describe the rigging application in the monograph?
 
The monograph does look like a huge time saver and a great way to go! A supplement to Boudriot's work or a source if the builder does not have this kind of great detail and if you can have only one book on rigging, James Lees' The Masting and Rigging of English Ships of War would be a great choice. It is for English ships so maybe not the best choice for other nations. It does cover the many differences for English ships over a period of more than 200 years which is a plus.
Allan
 
The monograph does look like a huge time saver and a great way to go! A supplement to Boudriot's work or a source if the builder does not have this kind of great detail and if you can have only one book on rigging, would be a great choice. It is for English ships so maybe not the best choice for other nations. It does cover the many differences for English ships over a period of more than 200 years which is a plus.
Allan
Thanks, Alan. By Italian flag under your avatar I can see you are writing this post from Italy. Hoping you are having a good time there!
As to the book by James Lees The Masting and Rigging of English Ships of War, I have it. I referred to it a few times to get answers to my questions for Victory model. I could not get answers. If I did not have the books The Anatomy of Nelsons Ships by N. Longridge and HMS VICTORY by Alan McGowan, I would abandon trying rigging Victory long ago. Apparently Victory is the only ship which has rigging description so well defined in these books. I am afraid, if I tried to build some other ship as French Hermione, I would not find complete rigging information to build the rigging properly. Am I wrong?
 
I have a copy of Lees’ book and unfortunately there is little or no information about the smaller ships that interest me. A work that does describe rigging of these smaller vessels is Steel’s Masting, Rigging, and Sailmaking. Unfortunately like all of Steel’s work, reprint copies have become expensive. I understand that there are free downloads on line. These sources cover British practice only. As has been posted elsewhere on SOS, rigging details for other navies, particularly French, can be different.

I have two ANCRE monographs, both about French Navy Longboats. Each has drawings for several of the simple different rigs used. I don’t however believe that block sizes and rope diameters are provided. I am not familiar with other ANCRE publications.

Roger
 
Hi Y.T. Yes, we have been traveling in Italy with some days in Rome then stops along the coast on a cruise. Nice today, then Aix, then a few days in Barcelona before heading back to Florida. In the end, there is no one book for rigging or anything else in our hobby with all the answers.

Hi Roger, I agree that there is little information on smaller vessels based on what I can find or have seen on any ship model group websites.
Both volumes of Steel's Elements and Practice of Rigging and Seamanship are free and easily downloaded and easy to navigate using the SF Maritime National Park website.

Allan
 
It sounds like you are enjoying a great trip Allan.
Yes sir, we are. Cannot wait for the one on one engine room tour tomorrow with the Chief Engineer who I had a chance to meet a few days ago. While all the ports are super and the ship has been fabulous overall, this will be the highlight for me.
 
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