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Scale of CW MORGAN by Scientific (kit #183) what is it???

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Michael T

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Hi All,
I am an avid reader of this page. But I am having a problem searching for information on the CW Morgan kit by Scientific (#183). I am looking for the SCALE of the model. I have tried to calculate it using measurements of the boats, parts of the hull and such. Near as I have been able to figure is it is close to 1/144. That just doesn’t seem correct. I have tried LOA, between perpendiculars and wild guesses.
So I am hopeful that someone has figured this out and the scale resides in memory or file.
Lastly, are there any build logs or other posts on this kit in SOS? I have not found any so I guess I need to be schooled on this if there are any.
Thanks to all, especially for the motivation and skills that are found here.
MikeT
Mount Joy, PA, USA

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It is a very rare kit and most builds were done in the past before the www was existing.

This one you know already

Build log; Scientific, Charles W. Morgan

This was my first ever wooden ship. I didn't document it fully, but I'm attaching the photos I have.
shipsofscale.com
 
I found an offer on ebay with some photos of drawings

can this maybe help to find out which scale?

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www.ebay.com

Charles W. Morgan Historic Whaler Kit Wooden Scientific 183 Never Used | eBay

<p>Charles W. Morgan Historic Whaler Kit Wooden Scientific 183 Never Used.</p><br><p>Includes a vintage cutter as well, please see pictures to see exactly what you are buying.</p><br><p>Box shows storage wear</p><br><p>Thank you</p>
www.ebay.com
 
Initially I was dismayed that I could not calculate the LOA on my own. Seems it would be straight forward.
But;

Length Over All-
The entire length of a vessel, measured from the foremost point of the bow to the aftermost point of the stern.

However, other sources may include bowsprits in LOA. Confusingly, LOA has different meanings. "Sparred length", "Total length including bowsprit", "Mooring length" and "LOA including bowsprit" are other expressions that might indicate the full length of a sailing ship.

A vessel's length overall dictates the equipment the vessel must have to comply with federal and state laws. Length overall is measured from the tip of the bow in a straight line to the stern of the vessel

How is vessel length measured?
How should the vessel length be measured? The hull length should be measured from the point of the bow to the transom, excluding bowsprits, outboard motors and other appendages.

LOA: length overall. This is the big one. First of all, there are two definitions, one old and one new. The old definition, and the one used by Lloyd’s is length overall EXCLUDING protruding spars. The new definition is more literal (the modern disease) and includes the spars. (Classic Boat)

What does LOA mean in boat length?
Length overall (LOA, o/a, o.a. or oa) is the maximum length of a vessel's hull measured parallel to the waterline. This length is important while docking the ship.

The length from the forward tip of the stem to the aftmost point on the hull. Usually includes any bow or stern appendages that are a structurally integral part of the hull (eg. a swim platform or anchor pulpit moulded as part of the hull), but excludes bowsprits, boomkins, bolted-on pulpits and stern platforms, or other appendages that aren't an integral part of the hull itself.

Length overall is the maximum length of a vessel's hull measured parallel to the waterline. This length is important while docking the ship. It is the most commonly used way of expressing the size of a ship, and is also used for calculating the cost of a marina berth. LOA is usually measured on the hull alone.

I think I will try to calculate it by using the 26 ft 6 in whaleboats. (Or Kurt's information from above) Thanks to everyone for their thoughts and tips!
Mike T
 
Michael T said:
Initially I was dismayed that I could not calculate the LOA on my own. Seems it would be straight forward.
But;

Length Over All-
The entire length of a vessel, measured from the foremost point of the bow to the aftermost point of the stern.

However, other sources may include bowsprits in LOA. Confusingly, LOA has different meanings. "Sparred length", "Total length including bowsprit", "Mooring length" and "LOA including bowsprit" are other expressions that might indicate the full length of a sailing ship.

A vessel's length overall dictates the equipment the vessel must have to comply with federal and state laws. Length overall is measured from the tip of the bow in a straight line to the stern of the vessel

How is vessel length measured?
How should the vessel length be measured? The hull length should be measured from the point of the bow to the transom, excluding bowsprits, outboard motors and other appendages.

LOA: length overall. This is the big one. First of all, there are two definitions, one old and one new. The old definition, and the one used by Lloyd’s is length overall EXCLUDING protruding spars. The new definition is more literal (the modern disease) and includes the spars. (Classic Boat)

What does LOA mean in boat length?
Length overall (LOA, o/a, o.a. or oa) is the maximum length of a vessel's hull measured parallel to the waterline. This length is important while docking the ship.

The length from the forward tip of the stem to the aftmost point on the hull. Usually includes any bow or stern appendages that are a structurally integral part of the hull (eg. a swim platform or anchor pulpit moulded as part of the hull), but excludes bowsprits, boomkins, bolted-on pulpits and stern platforms, or other appendages that aren't an integral part of the hull itself.

Length overall is the maximum length of a vessel's hull measured parallel to the waterline. This length is important while docking the ship. It is the most commonly used way of expressing the size of a ship, and is also used for calculating the cost of a marina berth. LOA is usually measured on the hull alone.

I think I will try to calculate it by using the 26 ft 6 in whaleboats. (Or Kurt's information from above) Thanks to everyone for their thoughts and tips!
Mike T
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Ditto Mike. As a marine engineer myself, the terms used for measuring a ship can be quite confusing. If you take the LOA figure and compare it to the kit parts such as the deck sections, you can get a more much more accurate ratio for determining the scale than using the boat as a measure. I would not trust the kit's boat to be accurate in size, and you would be introducing a huge error into your scale calculation even if you did, because of the small size of the boat as compared to that of the ship.
 
Michael T said:
Hi All,
I am an avid reader of this page. But I am having a problem searching for information on the CW Morgan kit by Scientific (#183). I am looking for the SCALE of the model. I have tried to calculate it using measurements of the boats, parts of the hull and such. Near as I have been able to figure is it is close to 1/144. That just doesn’t seem correct. I have tried LOA, between perpendiculars and wild guesses.
So I am hopeful that someone has figured this out and the scale resides in memory or file.
Lastly, are there any build logs or other posts on this kit in SOS? I have not found any so I guess I need to be schooled on this if there are any.
Thanks to all, especially for the motivation and skills that are found here.
MikeT
Mount Joy, PA, USA
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Hallo @Michael T
we wish you all the BEST and a HAPPY BIRTHDAY
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Seeing that you haven't posted since July 2022, I might want to assume you found your answer; however, for your information or amusement, that although the box art work is different, the scale states 1/72 with an overall model length of 17 1/2 in. Hope this helps.
...henry

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Hi,
Thanks for checking in with this data! I have been searching for the scale number I came up with but I can't seem to find it. (I did not want you to think I ignored you!) The scale I came up with is 1 inch equals 10 feet. I used the model length on deck of 10.5 inches and the recorded actual ship length on deck of 106 ft + 11 inches. and worked out a scale of 1"=10'. I think this is pretty close but since I am basically building the kit from the drawings provided I try not to get too concerned about additional scale details. The only addition I am thinking about is maybe finding a scale period dressed man to put on board, just for color and scale viewing.
It really is a great thing communicating with fellow builders. Inspiring and motivating! So, thanks again!
Mike
 
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