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What material would the stern laterns on a ship like the Victory be made of?
 
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Pictures seem that the base was wood, the top was metal

I asked the information on the victory, but it's intended for the Santisima Trinidad, I needed to decide if I was going to rust or do paint chipping effects, ended up deciding on rust anyway

But thank you for the helpIMG_20200622_212143.jpg
 
The original ones seem to be metal, but the one on the boat seems to have a wooden base
 
Uwek said:
The stern lanterns of the Victory are now painted with this typical yellow occre
https://flic.kr/p/hgNLBR
https://flic.kr/p/9W3JyD

But originally they were golden in most cases - I guess also on the Santisima Trinidad

There are two interesting original lanterns from appr. 1760 on the web page of the NMM, seems from the same ship

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Hi Uwek,
I am wondering where I could get a set of these lanterns for the 1:48 scale Bounty I am building.
I have found one site, but they are not the originals found on the Bounty, but they say they are.
 
You may be better off making your own. Hand tools are all that you need, I am traveling without any of my books, but I believe David Antscherl gives a good description on how to make the lanterns for this period of time in the The Fully Framed Model series of books, if memory serves. Lavery may have information as well as Goodwin.

Allan
 
AllanKP69 said:
You may be better off making your own. Hand tools are all that you need, I am traveling without any of my books, but I believe David Antscherl gives a good description on how to make the lanterns for this period of time in the The Fully Framed Model series of books, if memory serves. Lavery may have information as well as Goodwin.

Allan
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I will have a look at his Books. I was thinking these lanterns would be hard to make and achieve the accuracy at a small scale, but I take your word and give it a try.
Thanks for the information, Allan
 
After reading what he was saying how he done the Lanterns I did not really get what he was on about, really but it seems he did do then with a milling machine. That blows me away as i did not think there is an accurate Milling M/c that could do such tiny sections of this lantern. I have now had a look at the net, but it seems there are a few places that make the Lanterns, the lanterns for the Bounty, a slightly smaller measurement at 1/48 scale than what is offered by 3d.
I am basing the lanterns on The Anatomy of a Ship, The Bounty by John McKay.
 
I have never made such a lantern nor do I intend to build a model that would require one …..BUT….! Here’s my mental exercise for building one.

I would start with a block of plexiglass, perspec, or acrylic, etc. Then I would set it up and sculpt it on my mill. A small table saw, Byrnes, Proxxon will cut it too, or in a pinch a disc sander. Polish the blank. With the proper diameter milling cutter and or proper width saw blade I would cut shallow grooves into the plexiglass lantern blank. Next cut boxwood or pear strips. These need to be a press fit into the grooves in the blank. Glue the intersections of the strips with your favorite glue that will not stick to the lantern blank.

That’s it

Roger
 
Roger Pellett said:
I have never made such a lantern nor do I intend to build a model that would require one …..BUT….! Here’s my mental exercise for building one.

I would start with a block of plexiglass, perspec, or acrylic, etc. Then I would set it up and sculpt it on my mill. A small table saw, Byrnes, Proxxon will cut it too, or in a pinch a disc sander. Polish the blank. With the proper diameter milling cutter and or proper width saw blade I would cut shallow grooves into the plexiglass lantern blank. Next cut boxwood or pear strips. These need to be a press fit into the grooves in the blank. Glue the intersections of the strips with your favorite glue that will not stick to the lantern blank.

That’s it

Roger
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What you have written above is using small MACHINE Tools. I don't harvest them, nor do I intend to buy them. So I will still look for what I want by 3D. Thanks mate,
Namabiiru said:
Syren Ship Models
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and I will follow up at the Syren Ship Models. BTW, I, being a retired Fitter and Machinist, your message on how to go about it sounds ok.
 
Just a few moments ago ordered a set of Lanterns from Syrens after I had done a lot of research on what size the Bounty may have used, and also looked at some photos from the recent bygone era of the latest Bounty ships, and it seemed the lanterns they used were about 4 feet or more long. The actual cost for the parts where not cheap, but I am pretty certain cheaper than buying a milling machine and materials in good old little Australia to actually carry out the job.
The lanterns come in kit parts and don't have a problem with that, as you can also download how to do them. Standby;)
 
Bounty lanterns were 4ft tall.

The famous Seventeenth Century English Diarist Samuel Pepys claimed to have kissed a woman (not his wife) while standing inside the lantern of one of the larger Royal Navy warships.

Roger
 
As I recall, John Franklin's book on the Admiralty Board models in the NMG's collection has a section on the various stern lantern styles during the various relevant periods. They changed over time. The earlier ones were round. The later ones were like Victory's above.
 
Roger Pellett said:
Bounty lanterns were 4ft tall.

The famous Seventeenth Century English Diarist Samuel Pepys claimed to have kissed a woman (not his wife) while standing inside the lantern of one of the larger Royal Navy warships.

Roger
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Actually, they were 4 ft 3inches tall as I scaled the size of them from the Ships anatomy book the Bounty by John McKay. yes they were a big unit. To ship to Australia from Syrens cost a huge amount but that what you have to do if you cannot make them. Syrens also include instruction that are clear and understandable how to make them also.
Btw kissing a woman while inside one of these lanterns, hmm, inside a lantern he would be really on display if at night and real hot... LOL Anyway that was a bygone era. LOL
 
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