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The Great Republic 1:48

Sanding: I have a small Makitia palm sander. While this with some 220 grit paper might work for final sanding I would not use lt to fair the planking. Any powered sander loaded with aggressive paper is likely to cause over sanded dips.

I would make or buy a longboard; used by auto body shops. This allows you to clip a long sheet of paper, and to sand with both hands. When you get to concave areas at the bow and stern you will need to make contoured sanding blocks.

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Rob, great catch on this! I meant to share the original sketch produced by Donald McKay for his promotional booklet. By mistake, I took the one from the Hall publication instead. Here is the correct plate no 4 screencapped from the proper McKay source. I would toss the other one. There's still some interesting conundrum left. The list of spars includes a mizzen skysail that the illustration leaves out. The bow in the McKay illustration has a splash rail which you say the Great Republic didn't have. A minor detail but it is there. Regardless, for the purpose of giving Pete a correct sail plan, the one from the McKay booklet is what I would consider the most reliable. As for the controversial mizzen skysail, I guess that's a personal decision.

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See...this is the real problem. The description claims, she had a main sail, a lower and upper top sail, a topgallant, royal and a sky. THAT is what she was refitted out with! She was refitted out with *Howes* upper and lower topsails. When she was originally built, she only had a single large topsail. Because that is the design behind the *Forbes sail plan. A single topsail that ran up and down the top mast doubling. The Forbes topsail could be raised and lowered. You don't raise the lower Howes designed lower topsail. It is fixed to the its crane on the mast cap.
The description goes on to say she was rigged with the *Forbes* sail design. If she was...indeed, she would not have a double topsail . She would have a main course, a large movable topsail, a topgallant, royal, and a sky.

This painting....IMHV depicts her correctly as she was originally built. I think I recall reading that she didn't have any higher than a royal on her mizzen.
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Notice the *reef tackle* on the outer edge of the topsail . This was employed when shortening sail. You reefed these in and pulled the sail up to the yard....at the same time lowered the yard keeping tension on the sails clew points on the yard below. this was the typical method of short sailing and lowering the single large topsail. Notice the practice on the staghound on the Butterfield painting... you don't take in lower topsails of a Howes design this way.
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Rob, the only explanation I can think of that fits all the facts, as described in Donald McKay's own booklet is that he must have developed his own hybrid Forbes rig. An advanced concept utilizing Forbes rig but instead of lashing upper and lower topsails together, McKay added another yard between them. All I know for sure is that this no 4 illustration, pages 17 and 18 are taken directly from McKay's own publication. It's why I shared the cover page and booklet cover to show where this documentation originates from.
 
Rob, the only explanation I can think of that fits all the facts, as described in Donald McKay's own booklet is that he must have developed his own hybrid Forbes rig. An advanced concept utilizing Forbes rig but instead of lashing upper and lower topsails together, McKay added another yard between them. All I know for sure is that this no 4 illustration, pages 17 and 18 are taken directly from McKay's own publication. It's why I shared the cover page and booklet cover to show where this documentation originates from.
I believe you. Another publication states that Forbes was present at the launching of Great Republic and he declares, that his Topsail design was not used on her. So during her construction, it can be devised, that McKay had her masts originally built for the Forbes design....but must of had second thoughts, because the Howes design was up and coming, and was a great improvement over the Forbes design. So...it can be logically concluded, McKay left the over sized main/topmast doublings with their movable topsail. Then simply added a movable *upper* topsail of the Howes design. Making both *Upper and Lower* topsails movable. Unlike the standard fixed lower on the accepted Howes design.
Still. this does not answer the glaring flaw of having the eagle figurehead in conjunction with the addition of bulwarks. It is clearly known, that the bulwarks were added when the spar deck of the original had been burned during the fire and was removed.....creating the addition of the standard bulwark design. She went from 4 decks to 3. She was originally fitted out with an oak stanchioned rail....the entire circumference of he weather/spar deck.

If indeed this is an *Original* McKay drawing....he was asleep when he drew it. This is why I suspect this drawing was a later addition to McLean's descriptions. Because he clearly states she had an oak stanchioned railing...all around her spar deck. Where is THAT in the drawing? What you do see, is the tops of some buildings and structures. so why would McKay draw this if it was not so? I conclude...he did not.

See, this (Colorized)wood etching. It was done shortly after her visit to NY harbor. Notice the railing and the exclusion of sky sails on the fore and mizzen masts. This image, coupled with the one I posted earlier...depicts, IMHV, the closest representation of the GR as she was first built.



Rob

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I believe you. Another publication states that Forbes was present at the launching of Great Republic and he declares, that his Topsail design was not used on her. So during her construction, it can be devised, that McKay had her masts originally built for the Forbes design....but must of had second thoughts, because the Howes design was up and coming, and was a great improvement over the Forbes design. So...it can be logically concluded, McKay left the over sized main/topmast doublings with their movable topsail. Then simply added a movable *upper* topsail of the Howes design. Making both *Upper and Lower* topsails movable. Unlike the standard fixed lower on the accepted Howes design.
Still. this does not answer the glaring flaw of having the eagle figurehead in conjunction with the addition of bulwarks. It is clearly known, that the bulwarks were added when the spar deck of the original had been burned during the fire and was removed.....creating the addition of the standard bulwark design. She went from 4 decks to 3. She was originally fitted out with an oak stanchioned rail....the entire circumference of he weather/spar deck.

If indeed this is an *Original* McKay drawing....he was asleep when he drew it. This is why I suspect this drawing was a later addition to McLean's descriptions. Because he clearly states she had an oak stanchioned railing...all around her spar deck. Where is THAT in the drawing? What you do see, is the tops of some buildings and structures. so why would McKay draw this if it was not so? I conclude...he did not.

See, this (Colorized)wood etching. It was done shortly after her visit to NY harbor. Notice the railing and the exclusion of sky sails on the fore and mizzen masts. This image, coupled with the one I posted earlier...depicts, IMHV, the closest representation of the GR as she was first built.



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Rob,
In his letter to Captn. Hall, Cornelius McKay mentioned that often a ship's final appearance would differ from original plans. This is apparently the case with the Great Republic. A splash rail illustrated on the official sail plan is omitted on the ship. An entire surrounding oak turned stanchion safety rail, which transitions to a metal one at the foremast is left of the illustration but appears on the ship. A mizzen mast which has specs for 6 yards on page 18 yet her sail plan only shows 5... I agree that this hand tinted illustration is probably one of the most accurate contemporary ones done. While the mizzen lacks a skysail yard, it could have been left off to make room for the American flag. Another observation: I doubt McKay did the sail plan himself. From looking at other confirmed works of his, it doesn't resemble his hand. It's just too stylized. Regardless, documents shared do originate from Donald McKay's shipyard and is the official resource. I downloaded the entire pdf document from the sobco website. Original publications, with the oversized fold out illustrations retail for upwards of $1,000.00.
 
Note the sails and railing on this original sailing card. Just can't imagine they would leave items off of her if they were not on her.


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Rob, I'm sure you realize this sailing card is for the Great Republic after she was raised, razeed from 4 to 3 decks and relaunched by Captn NB Palmer and his associates a year after her loss by fire. Captn Lauchlan McKay was her original commander while Captn. Limeburner is listed in this sailing card. From what I've read about her redesign, she had a traditional forecastle and aft poop deck incorporated to her appearance. Why she would still have the safety rail after her rebuild doesn't make sense. I suspect the artist made a mistake.
 
Rob,
In his letter to Captn. Hall, Cornelius McKay mentioned that often a ship's final appearance would differ from original plans. This is apparently the case with the Great Republic. A splash rail illustrated on the official sail plan is omitted on the ship. An entire surrounding oak turned stanchion safety rail, which transitions to a metal one at the foremast is left of the illustration but appears on the ship. A mizzen mast which has specs for 6 yards on page 18 yet her sail plan only shows 5... I agree that this hand tinted illustration is probably one of the most accurate contemporary ones done. While the mizzen lacks a skysail yard, it could have been left off to make room for the American flag. Another observation: I doubt McKay did the sail plan himself. From looking at other confirmed works of his, it doesn't resemble his hand. It's just too stylized. Regardless, documents shared do originate from Donald McKay's shipyard and is the official resource. I downloaded the entire pdf document from the sobco website. Original publications, with the oversized fold out illustrations retail for upwards of $1,000.00.
Rob,
Here's a Ten Pound Island Bookseller ad for an original McKay booklet retailing for $1,500.00. The illustration is authentic and matches exactly the one I shared.

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I get it. something is askew. If the description claims she was outfitted with *Forbes* topsail. you have to know what that actually entailed.

Prior to Forbes design the topsail was a large movable sail. Vary difficult to furl under difficult conditions. Just look at the painting of Staghound of two years earlier. By buttersworth.
Forbes invented a design of the topsail, Half the size of the original design, that slid down only the lower mast doubling. This reduced the crew requirement and effort. Typically this topsail was the size of the extra long doublng. (A longer doubling was required, so the sail had significance). Then the topgallant, royal and sky. It appears from the written description, that she had a lower topsail that slid up and down the doubling(unlike it being fixed to the cap), and, another shorter sail, called the upper topsail(both sails making up the entirety of the older single large topsail). It too slid up and down the mast.

Problem with this idea, is that it was Howes, who invented the double topsail configuration. AFTER Forbes invented his design.... A lower that was fixed and an upper that moved up and down the mast. the typical design we see on later clippers and ocean carriers.
Forbes design only incorporated a smaller movable topsail, that rode down the lower mast doubling.
Looks to me, that McKay chose to *Hybrid* the Forbes design to suite his own inclinations.

One thing is evidently clear....there are plenty of mistakes to sift through. The drawing is wrong(By itself), the Sailing card is wrong(By itself), other drawings and paintings are wrong(By themselves). But taking all this data and comparing it to the Duncan McLean written accounts, one can devise what is most likely the truth....or close to it. I spent about 4 years of research before I tackled my Great Republic version......and I feel confident in its representation of her original design.

Did Staghound only have 4 yards per mast....? Buttersworth seamed to think so. Many earlier clippers only carried main, topsail, topgallant and royals. though they were far larger canvases then following designs.
Perception is everything, and during the short clipper era....much change occurred, rapidly.

I may even try my hand at building Great Republic after her British purchase and name change to Denmark and conversion to a 3 masted full rigged ship.Pirate Flag

Rob
 
I get it. something is askew. If the description claims she was outfitted with *Forbes* topsail. you have to know what that actually entailed.

Prior to Forbes design the topsail was a large movable sail. Vary difficult to furl under difficult conditions. Just look at the painting of Staghound of two years earlier. By buttersworth.
Forbes invented a design of the topsail, Half the size of the original design, that slid down only the lower mast doubling. This reduced the crew requirement and effort. Typically this topsail was the size of the extra long doublng. (A longer doubling was required, so the sail had significance). Then the topgallant, royal and sky. It appears from the written description, that she had a lower topsail that slid up and down the doubling(unlike it being fixed to the cap), and, another shorter sail, called the upper topsail(both sails making up the entirety of the older single large topsail). It too slid up and down the mast.

Problem with this idea, is that it was Howes, who invented the double topsail configuration. AFTER Forbes invented his design.... A lower that was fixed and an upper that moved up and down the mast. the typical design we see on later clippers and ocean carriers.
Forbes design only incorporated a smaller movable topsail, that rode down the lower mast doubling.
Looks to me, that McKay chose to *Hybrid* the Forbes design to suite his own inclinations.

One thing is evidently clear....there are plenty of mistakes to sift through. The drawing is wrong(By itself), the Sailing card is wrong(By itself), other drawings and paintings are wrong(By themselves). But taking all this data and comparing it to the Duncan McLean written accounts, one can devise what is most likely the truth....or close to it. I spent about 4 years of research before I tackled my Great Republic version......and I feel confident in its representation of her original design.

Did Staghound only have 4 yards per mast....? Buttersworth seamed to think so. Many earlier clippers only carried main, topsail, topgallant and royals. though they were far larger canvases then following designs.
Perception is everything, and during the short clipper era....much change occurred, rapidly.

I may even try my hand at building Great Republic after her British purchase and name change to Denmark and conversion to a 3 masted full rigged ship.Pirate Flag

Rob
Rob,
Ditch the small splash rail on her bow, add safety rails and the only other issue is a missing mizzen skysail to match yards described on page 18 of the McKay booklet. It seems logical to me that he added the extra yardarms due to the immense size of the yards as first built. It also appears that unlike clipper Lightning which had a sail plan that went wide, with Great Republic McKay went with a tall sail plan. In that case a mizzen skysail would fit in with that scheme. I'm not looking to cause controversy or pick a fight about any of this. My original intent was to simply share an accurate sail plan to aid Pete in his build. As for Stag Hound she had skysails on all masts. A routine practice in dirty weather was to remove and lower upper yards to reduce rigging strain. I believe Buttersworth was aware of this procedure and accurately illustrated it.
 
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Rob,
Ditch the small splash rail on her bow, add safety rails and the only other issue is a missing mizzen skysail to match yards described on page 18 of the McKay booklet. It seems logical to me that he added the extra yardarms due to the immense size of the yards as first built. It also appears that unlike clipper Lightning which had a sail plan that went wide, with Great Republic McKay went with a tall sail plan. In that case a mizzen skysail would fit in with that scheme. I'm not looking to cause controversy or pick a fight about any of this. My original intent was to simply share an accurate sail plan to aid Pete in his build. As for Stag Hound she had skysails on all masts. A routine practice in dirty weather was to remove and lower upper yards to reduce rigging strain. I believe Buttersworth was aware of this procedure and accurately illustrated it.
I agree.......no fight is being waged. It is all speculative at best. 4, 5 or 6 yards really makes no difference....the sail area is still the same. There are plenty of images showing clippers with only 4 yards (In port). Before the advent of the Forbes, and Howes double topsail and even the double topgallant, which came along later, the sail area of a ship generally comprised a main course, a topsail, a topgallant and a royal. Sky's became popular during the clipper era. Even Moon sails extended the canvas capacity. However, it is clear, early clippers still relied upon the standard sail plan of earlier ship designs. The advent of the quest for speed, pushed the limits of what a ship could safely set and sustain. Bringing down a sky yard was no small feet and less so during extremely bad weather.....so that practice was limited to the worst of weather events. Furling was the most practical course to take when shorting sail was to be done expeditiously. Inventors even invented self furling sails to accomplish this with less men and to do so safely. IMV, the most accurate aspect of Buttersworth's wonderful painting is his depiction of shorting the sail area of the large single topsail. This is how it was done prior to the advent of the Howes double topsail system.

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Rob,
Donald McKay frequently had nothing higher than royals on fore and mizzen with skysails reserved for the main only. That's the original specs for Sovereign of the Seas, James Baines, Champion of the Seas & Lightning. All were larger clippers too. Yet, there are many pieces of art by renouned artist depicting these same vessels with skysails on all masts. It's as if ship's owners or captain's added them later, since the topsails aren't altered. Meanwhile Clipper Ship era had this Currier litho on their site. It's based on a JE Buttersworth oil. Not only sails but that pesky splash rail depicted in the no 4 illustration of the McKay booklet all match exactly. What's also of particular note is that this print states it was: "entered according to Act of Congress in 1853, by L. McKay in the Clerk's Office of the District Court of the Southern District of N.Y." Captain L McKay was to be the original commander of the Great Republic (Laughlin was Donald's brother). No matter how this contradicts page 18 specs of McKay's own booklet, this along with the Buttersworth piece appear to be definitive proof of her first appearance.

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