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What Brands Make Higher End Limited Edition/"Museum Quality" Model Kits and How Different Are They from a Standard Kit?

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Hi all,

New to the forum and ship modeling (but not woodworking and modeling more broadly).

I was wondering if anyone had any insights or experience with some of the higher end model kits, the difference in quality, and who makes them. Specifically, I am thinking of Occre's Limited Editions (Victory/Soleil Royal) and Agora (Constitution/Cutty Sark).

For those of you who have completed these models, is there a significant difference in quality and difficulty for these kits in the roughly $2,000 price point? Are there any other brands that offer these so-called "Museum Quality" model kits?

Thanks!
Sam
 
Well Occre's kit has issues, and Agora kits seem to be hard to ensure you get all the parts, as I think they are subscription kits.

Museum Quality, is a very loose definition here and it has been discussed.

In recent edition of Ships in Scale, there survey show kits by Vanguard ranked highest overall on quality and instructions.

Occre gives you limited instructions and lots of you tube videos to show what to do, but they seem to be more to the advanced modeler not a beginner who needs more info.
 
Ok, since you asked!

Ship model kits, like any commercial product are subject to the usual marketing ploys. The term “museum quality” is one of these. It is meaningless as it often appears on ship model kit boxes next to a picture of a completed model with obvious defects. It is just advertising.

The latest marketing scheme seems to be the limited edition kit where it is claimed that the completed model will someday become a “collectors item.” More nonsense.

There are ship model kit manufacturers who seem to be making an effort to offer historically correct kits to the ship modeling community without the marketing hype. Bluejacket, A.J. Fisher, and the Model Shipways line sold by Model Expo come to mind.

If you are an experienced woodworker with tools, why buy a kit? Visit Dave Steven’s School for Model Shipbuilders here on SOS.
 
My house is a museum. It contains ancient relics such as myself. I still have the Dan Dare pocket watch I was bought at age 7, the treadle scroll saw I was bought aged 10 and other ridiculous "treasures". Some of the ornaments and crockery date back to grandparents. I am satisfied with (most) of the kits I have built.
Ergo they are museum quality.
 
All helpful information. Part of why "Museum Quality" is in quotes is that I recognized that this is, as you all seem to rightfully point out, a form of marketing.

What I am wondering is if there is any significant difference in terms of what you get for ships at this price point (which seems to be at minimum double or triple the cost of others).

My sense is that you might get better wood and perhaps an admiralty-style framing, but that these are otherwise solid models with good marketing behind them.

As for the question of why not scratch build, the only reason is a lack of familiarity with the subject matter, and kits have been fun so far.

Best,
Sam
 
New to the forum and ship modeling (but not woodworking and modeling more broadly).

in the roughly $2,000 price point?

if in fact you have woodworking experience and some tools in the $2,000 range of kits you can scratch build a "museum quality" model of a ship maybe even two models at the price range. The quality of fine art ship modeling does not come in a box.

there is enough information here on sos to help and guide you through a scratch building project.
 
As for the question of why not scratch build, the only reason is a lack of familiarity with the subject matter, and kits have been fun so far.

and that is why we are here to familiarize you with the subjects and the know how.

take Rogers advice and spend some time at the school for model shipwrights
 
What I am wondering is if there is any significant difference in terms of what you get for ships at this price point (which seems to be at minimum double or triple the cost of others).

the difference between low, medium and high price kits is in my opinion you're not getting "as advertised" Look at it this way a smaller fine crafted small ship built from scratch could very well have more value than a high priced kit. By any other name museum quality, historically accurate, quality materials, good instructions are all marketing ploys. a kit is a kit mass produced product for the hobby world.
 
Just to clarify re: Dave's point, I am not in the $2,000 price point for a kit as a beginner. I am just trying to understand how, as Dave points out, a mass produced product for this hobby gets that high in price, compered to others, when you're dealing with largely pieces of wood (laser cut or not), thread and fittings, and instructions.

This all makes a lot of sense, and I greatly appreciate the help from everyone.
 
If you study posts here on SOS, a common thread is the poor quality of wood supplied by even the very high priced kits offered by the well established ship model kit manufacturers. Unless you order a “solid hull” kit offered by two of the three American companies that I mentioned above you will be building a Plank on Bulkhead model (aka POB. These use widely spaced plywood or mystery material bulkheads attached to slots in a central spine. Planking is narrow strip wood. None of this comes close to replicating historically accurate ship building practices.

There ARE some companies attempting to offer high quality woods and more accurate framing. Believe it or not these are located in China. For example look at Dry Dock Models, a SOS sponsor.

I am a scratch builder so have no recent experience with any of the kit suppliers and certainly no financial interest. I AM encouraging you to look beyond the “usual suspects.”

Roger
 
That “We’re scratch builders”—we’re better than everyone else—attitude is incredibly annoying. There are so many wonderful ways to have fun building ship models. POB from Vanguard Models, POF from CAF Models, or scratch—anything can be built to a high standard. And most importantly, whatever you do, have fun with it. And don’t let the narrow-minded purists spoil it for you.
 
That “We’re scratch builders”—we’re better than everyone else—attitude is incredibly annoying.

i am a scratch builder and i do not consider myself better than everyone else nor do i have an attitude toward kit, semi-kit or hard core scratch building. i think that is your personal interpretation of the situation. I try to help everyone.
 
Just to clarify re: Dave's point, I am not in the $2,000 price point for a kit as a beginner. I am just trying to understand how, as Dave points out, a mass produced product for this hobby gets that high in price, compered to others, when you're dealing with largely pieces of wood (laser cut or not), thread and fittings, and instructions.

there is a difference in quality for example the stern carvings and figurehead some kits cast these in metal which is cheaper than creating a 3D print file and printing the pieces. Cannons, some kit makers use close enough to scale off the shelf rather than create a scale cannons for each kit. The wood used in higher end kits will use better quality such as pearwood rather than Basswood. The pearwood cost more than Basswood. Adding more bulkheads in better kits to produce a better shaped hull. Some kit makers spend a lot of effort in printing instructions, boxes and packing all cost more.
In general, ALL kits are designed pretty much the same it comes down to finer details like rigging line and rigging blocks to scale or out of scale. Quality of the fittings. A plank on frame kit with laser cut frames is way more expensive than laser cutting a few plywood bulkheads.

What goes on in the shop higher kits employ better designers the cost of a good CAD draftsman is not cheap, Research of the subject cost time and money, a 3D artist to create the printing files is really expensive, cost of resin yikes! then the proof of concept someone has to sit down and build the prototype and make sure everything fits, Cheaper kits go with good enough let the builder make it fit.

i do not build kits because i prefer to do my own work from start to finish but what i see on the market i suggest you go with kits from Dry dock Models because i know the attention to detail is there in the kits.
 
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It's not the wood sticks, laser cutting, accessories or the packaging that make a kit cheap or expensive. It' rather the (hundreds?) hours spent by some highly trained specialists (historians, designers, modellers, computer wizards, ...) to develop it. With a kit, we are essentially buying the intellectual property of the kit designer/producer and make some vendors (and ourselves!) happy.
 
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Excuse me but where in this series of posts did I say that I’m better than anyone else because I’m a scratch builder? My observations about mass market POB kits was based on dozens of complaints from kit builders here on SOS and inherent problems obvious from finished builds.

Roger
 
Roger Pellett said:
Excuse me but where in this series of posts did I say that I’m better than anyone else because I’m a scratch builder? My observations about mass market POB kits was based on dozens of complaints from kit builders here on SOS and inherent problems obvious from finished builds.

Roger
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I don't think any comment about scratch builder snobs was aimed at you, Roger. Elitists are encountered in any hobby where people compare their work to those of others. We both know the spectrum of techniques and styles builders use on this forum are vast and diverse, and if one member voices his preferences, they aren't viewed as a snob. They are just sharing what works for them.
 
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