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Don Case

Don Case

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Are there sort of standards for where to call a ship model complete? I've seen no masts or no sails. Are there any other spots like maybe stopping after the standing rigging is done?
 
Thank you god, that there is no standard or norm defining such things.
That is my personal opion.
The modeler and owner of the model should be able to define, when his / her model is finished
Don, whenever you say to yourself - Now, she is finished - than she is finished
 
Thank you Uwe. I just hope that she is finished at roughly the same time as I am finished. I think I can manage the standing rigging but I not sure about the running rigging. It looks much more fiddly for old hands.
 
I agree with Uwek, your model your choice of when to call it done.

But along the same question, one has to ask, what am I representing with my model, as in, An Admiralty Model, open hull and no masts, or one in port with sails furled to keep the winds at bay, or a ship under way in the ocean with full sails deployed to make hast in sailing to next port.

I have seen great models representing all states of construction, rigging and sails. Even some great dioramas of ships in dock being built with some rigging started and the yards and masts laying along side the dock waiting for the ship master to call for installation when time is due.
 
Well, for me, it's when the end of the manual says to stop. I have not really tried scratch building yet because I am not good enough, so I follow instructions, and I seem to do that quite well. Probably well trained by my Admiral...
 
fourseas said:
The way I see it, regardless of where a modeller stops work on his/her project, it is an exact replica of the ship at one point in her life.
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But.....
due to the fact, that we are building models in a defined scale, we are reducing the details to a possible amount.
Therefore we never have the possibility to make an "exact replica" - so once the modeler has to decide once.
and he also has to decide by himself the way of presentation and the details shown.
I am thinking f.e. about POF models presented as half finished or under construction in a drydock /slipyard.
Semi finished planking, maybe with missing planks to show the structre.
Guns on the deck, although guns were never on deck when the ship was still under construction
and and and
F.e. I am working on POF models and like to keep parts of the planking open (hull and deck) to show the frame and deck structure with beams, carlings etc,
I think at the end, the modeler has to decide by himself
There are so much variants - and this is making our hobby so interesting - and also interesting to see models from other modelers with different ideas (and tastes)
 
I have taken my models to various shows over the years with at least one of them still under construction to show the work involved. Invariably if I didn't explain to the public that the model was still under construction I would always get the comment " well ,it's nice but you know you forgot to put this or that on it". These days I only take completed models to the shows with several photos of the construction process, and people seem to be more impressed with the work involved.
 
Also I would suggest that this 'stopping point' is a part of every stage.
Perfection is for others, in my opinion.
 
Meiner Meinung nach... Opinions are like noses--everyone has one, so I guess mine doesn't mean much here. But I personally like the challenge and look of sails and the accompanying rigging. It sure takes a lot of research to determine where everything goes, though. And sometimes there just aren't enough spots to belay everything at our scales. I've built a Connie with minimal rigging and a Soleil Royal with a bunch. I like the result of the SR better, but it was a lot of work. Good thing I don't have anything better to do!
 
If you're building a model to satisfy others then you are never going to enjoy the hobby.
This is one of the main reasons I no longer model railways. After building over 200 locomotives for there, I realised I was building nothing for myself.
Now I build model ships for me. I build them to the best standard I can and finish them when I believe I have don enough work on it. I have shown both ships I have built and for some reason my second (ENDEAVOUR) won both best in show and public choice awards. I was completely surprised by this result but it's not why I build the ship nor the reason I put it and my first on display. Despite winning, there were plenty of opinions about what was wrong with the model. There will always be someone with an opinion that is different to yours, and that also includes other modellers who believe their work is better then yours.
I put my ships on display because I was proud of my work.
If you're that worried about what someone else might think or say about your then don't display your models. But that a real shame as model ship building is a hobby and everyone has the right to show off their work regardless of what other modellers or the public might think of its qualities.
Remember, there will alway be someone who is a better modeller than you are.
Aspire to improve your work with each build but remember, it's your model and what you do with it is your choice.
 
peter6172 said:
If you're building a model to satisfy others then you are never going to enjoy the hobby.
This is one of the main reasons I no longer model railways. After building over 200 locomotives for there, I realised I was building nothing for myself.
Now I build model ships for me. I build them to the best standard I can and finish them when I believe I have don enough work on it. I have shown both ships I have built and for some reason my second (ENDEAVOUR) won both best in show and public choice awards. I was completely surprised by this result but it's not why I build the ship nor the reason I put it and my first on display. Despite winning, there were plenty of opinions about what was wrong with the model. There will always be someone with an opinion that is different to yours, and that also includes other modellers who believe their work is better then yours.
I put my ships on display because I was proud of my work.
If you're that worried about what someone else might think or say about your then don't display your models. But that a real shame as model ship building is a hobby and everyone has the right to show off their work regardless of what other modellers or the public might think of its qualities.
Remember, there will alway be someone who is a better modeller than you are.
Aspire to improve your work with each build but remember, it's your model and what you do with it is your choice.
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I agree with the stipulation that another reason to share your work besides showing off might be to gain insight from others. I've learned much that I can use on future projects. I can also appreciate the craftsmanship better when I view the work of others. We can all contribute and share ideas. But when it comes down to it, you're the captain. It's always modeler's choice.
 
I agree with Peter, I build my models for myself, just for the enjoyment of doing so. I do display them at shows, and occasionally write articles for newsletters about them, but they are mostly just for me. The back room where my workshop is located is getting pretty crowded with models in cases! What I would like to add here is the additional benefits associated with belonging to a club and bringing in-progress models to in-person meetings for show-and-tell. The constructive comments, tips, and encouragement I have received from my fellow club members, whom I know well by now, are always helpful. This in-progress feedback is often more valuable than comments about a finished model at a show. I use all three “venues” - online discussion groups like this one, club meetings, and shows - to show others my work and to see the work of others. Whoever said that ship modeling is a “solitary hobby” is mistaken, in my opinion.

james
 
Don Case said:
ired of looking at the damn thing they want to burn it.Are there sort of standards for where to call a ship model complete? I've seen no masts or no sails. Are there any other spots like maybe stopping after the standing rigging is done?
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1. Most people judge the model to be complete when they get so sick-and-tired of looking at the damn thing that they want to throw it into the fireplace!
 
"OH DEAR", I never had one that I wanted to throw in the fire place. However, I built one once that was so warped and crooked that I left it out for the trash people to take, and someone else took it. Guess they thought it was still worth something, or they were looking for kindling for their fire place:)
 
fourseas said:
"OH DEAR", I never had one that I wanted to throw in the fire place. However, I built one once that was so warped and crooked that I left it out for the trash people to take, and someone else took it. Guess they thought it was still worth something, or they were looking for kindling for their fire place:)
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you never know. One man's trash is another man's treasure. And I am not implying that it was trash, but you said it.
 
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