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HIGH HOPES, WILD MEN AND THE DEVIL’S JAW - Willem Barentsz Kolderstok 1:50

Johan, I honestly do not see where the deviation lies. The drawing you refer to is of a jacht dated 1606. Willem Barentsz was a vlieboot circa approximately 1585 - 1596. It is also a drawing, not a plan - thus merely an artist's impression.

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This is the Kolderstok plan. I think my curvatures are spot on as they were taken from the plans. In each case the exact curvature between Hoving, De Weerdt and Kolderstok's plans differ. I had to choose one and chose this one.
In that case I'm afraid my eyes are deceiving me.
Sorry to have bothered you with a silly question.
 
In that case I'm afraid my eyes are deceiving me.
Sorry to have bothered you with a silly question.
Johan you are not bothering me at all. I am trying to understand what you mean. If you think that my curvature is less pronounced on the bulwarks, I had a choice of three to follow. I chose the Kolderstok version because the stanchions could be positioned far more accurately as to their exact number and the distance between them. The fact that the Kolderstok curvatures are the least pronounced, is co-incidental, but I can assure you that according to the plans, the curvatures on my build are perfect.
 
Hi Heinrich.
Willem Barentsz was a vlieboot circa approximately 1585 - 1596. It is also a drawing, not a plan - thus merely an artist's impression.
What a relief that not much has changed after so many centuries and that we still run into the same thing: different interpretations of different artists.
With your problem of having only tiny paintings, etchings or engravings. At least I still have large detailed plan sets. But still …… dif. interpretations.
And that we can choose what suits us best for the construction of our model.
Good luck with the next upcoming option to choose. The ones you already made still looks very nice and elegant.
Regards, Peter
 
Hello Heinrich, I discovered your wonderful construction report a few days ago. A great introduction and a wonderful work.
Dear Tobias. Thank you so much for your very kind and generous words. I am very happy that you are enjoying the build and the log.
 
Hi Heinrich.

What a relief that not much has changed after so many centuries and that we still run into the same thing: different interpretations of different artists.
With your problem of having only tiny paintings, etchings or engravings. At least I still have large detailed plan sets. But still …… dif. interpretations.
And that we can choose what suits us best for the construction of our model.
Good luck with the next upcoming option to choose. The ones you already made still looks very nice and elegant.
Regards, Peter
Very true Peter. The old drawings and etchings may seem problematic at times, but they do contain tons of information. Like you have found with the old photographs of Bluenose, it all depends on how hard you want to look at what is provided. I am fortunate that the plans of both Kolderstok and @Ab Hoving are excellent - thus the challenge lies in which interpretation to choose. Like I have told you earlier in your log, the goal is to try and stick to one source as far as I can, but in a real world where we are working with the restrictions that the kit imposes as well as the factor of scale, that is not always possible.
 
Johan you are not bothering me at all. I am trying to understand what you mean. If you think that my curvature is less pronounced on the bulwarks, I had a choice of three to follow. I chose the Kolderstok version because the stanchions could be positioned far more accurately as to their exact number and the distance between them. The fact that the Kolderstok curvatures are the least pronounced, is co-incidental, but I can assure you that according to the plans, the curvatures on my build are perfect.
Heinrich, there's not a single doubt in my mind that the curvatures wouldn't be according to plan.
Unfortunately, (or may be not and as frequently discussed) there are quite a few interpretations flying around, making it sometimes difficult to follow for an uneducated soul what interpretation is used or preferred.
 
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In fact - as we do not know how the ships exactly looked 400+ years ago - everything you do makes complete sense. These ships were build on the eye, no plans, no technical drawings. Canopies open? Canopies closed? As long as you have a good explanation of why you did it the way you did it, it’s okay! You have build your model merely in the way it was done in the 16th and 17th century and it has turned out beautifully!
Hans
 
I don't pretend to know the best answer but on your modeI I like how you can peer through opening as an extra point of interest, so my pick would be no doors leaning towards the full opening but would be ok with 2 arches because I like the symmetry.
 
Heinrich, there's not a single doubt in my mind that the curvatures wouldn't be according to plan.
Unfortunately, (or may be not and as frequently discussed) there are quite a few interpretations flying around, making it sometimes difficult to follow for an uneducated soul what interpretation is used or preferred.
I understand completely Johan. As a rule of thumb, I give the least preference to the replica build, even though I may have to use its configuration as far as the placement of the winch goes - but that is a story for another day. :)
 
In fact - as we do not know how the ships exactly looked 400+ years ago - everything you do makes complete sense. These ships were build on the eye, no plans, no technical drawings. Canopies open? Canopies closed? As long as you have a good explanation of why you did it the way you did it, it’s okay! You have build your model merely in the way it was done in the 16th and 17th century and it has turned out beautifully!
Hans
Thank you so much for this Hans. I could have double-clicked the "Love" button, I would have done so. I am obviously very happy about the fact that you like how the model turned out, but I am also really happy about your comment on the way that I built this model. I tried my utmost to do it in the most authentic way possible.
 
I don't pretend to know the best answer but on your modeI I like how you can peer through opening as an extra point of interest, so my pick would be no doors leaning towards the full opening but would be ok with 2 arches because I like the symmetry.
Thank you very much Richie. It definitely seems that the completely open and the closed with two-door versions appeal the most to our SOS members. I am going to do one little bit of investigating more, and will then make a definitive call.
 
Hello Dear Friends

Today was one of those magnificent autumn days in Nantong that just couldn't be left to go wasted - so the girls and I went out to play.

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It also gave me time to revisit the whole front canopy decision and I came to the following decision. There are only two proven options as shown in the drawings of Gerrit de Veer - completely open or covered with a single arch-domed opening but sans door (see pic below).

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I have started work on making a template for the latter and will keep you posted when that is ready to be shown.

Once again, I want to thank you all for the tremendous response I have received from all of you. Unfortunately, I cannot please everyone, but rest assured that each and every suggestion was thoroughly considered.
 
Front wall left completely open. 4
Front wall with two door openings but no doors. 1
Front wall with two door openings and two doors. 4
Front wall with single door opening, but no door. 0
Front wall with single door opening and one door. 1
Definition of a captain: choosing to do what no one else wanted him to do and still being correct ROTF ROTF ROTF.
 
Hello Dear Friends

Today was one of those magnificent autumn days in Nantong that just couldn't be left to go wasted - so the girls and I went out to play.

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It also gave me time to revisit the whole front canopy decision and I came to the following decision. There are only two proven options as shown in the drawings of Gerrit de Veer - completely open or covered with a single arch-domed opening but sans door (see pic below).

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I have started work on making a template for the latter and will keep you posted when that is ready to be shown.

Once again, I want to thank you all for the tremendous response I have received from all of you. Unfortunately, I cannot please everyone, but rest assured that each and every suggestion was thoroughly considered.
Can you carry a 6-pack of TsingTao (pei jo) in yer kayak?
 
But Heinrich, you don't have to please everybody, you are the captain of this Willem Barentsz, :):) So you are making the decisions. :):)

After our input at your request
Peter, my friend, that is the whole thing - I am actually not the captain. The history books, artists and maritime historians are! :)
 
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