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I ordered ten Mantura 20mm cannons and carriages from a well known seller in the US about six weeks ago and they have not been delivered. I've contacted the seller and Mantura several times and have not received an answer about the delay.

The saga continues. For the same build, I ordered chain plates and other items from Amati in July. I contacted the shipping company about the delay. The tracking indicated that the order has been in Dubai for several weeks and has not moved. FedEx suggested I contact Amati. Amati has not bother to reply to any of my emails or phone calls.

Yes, I'm frustrated about paying for something, not receiving it, and venting. I guess some companies couldn't care less about customer retention.
 
Hello @Marty Olsen, I would name the US seller here... Lack of service and delivery is inexcusable. It is ultimately HIS responsibility to follow-up and solve the issue FOR YOU, the consumer. Lack of future orders from all of us will take care of the seller permanently. You do business or you don't, no in-between.

I personally would REQUEST/DEMAND a full refund from the seller and go buy elsewhere. Six weeks... inexcusable.
 
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I ordered ten Mantura 20mm cannons and carriages from a well known seller in the US about six weeks ago and they have not been delivered. I've contacted the seller and Mantura several times and have not received an answer about the delay.
I have seen similarly arrogant behaviour - springing from the idea that they have a captive audience- in the past from UK suppliers of model railway equipment. They are out of business now, so there is some justice in the world.
 
I ordered ten Mantura 20mm cannons and carriages from a well known seller in the US about six weeks ago and they have not been delivered. I've contacted the seller and Mantura several times and have not received an answer about the delay.

in this case i would lay the blame on Mantura if they did not ship your order and you get no reply from them.

The saga continues. For the same build, I ordered chain plates and other items from Amati in July. I contacted the shipping company about the delay. The tracking indicated that the order has been in Dubai for several weeks and has not moved. FedEx suggested I contact Amati. Amati has not bother to reply to any of my emails or phone calls.

in this case Amati filled the order and shipped it they fulfilled their part. what happens after it leaves their hands is the responsibility of the shipper.

Yes, I'm frustrated about paying for something, not receiving it, and venting. I guess some companies couldn't care less about customer retention.

this happens at the LumberYard when we ship international. sometimes the orders are lost or delayed and once out of my hands i have no control, so it is
not my problem. However, all the shipments are insured and have tracking numbers so Ev will hunt down the package if not found then she will file a claim. Oddly enough within days of filing a claim the package will show up at it destination.

i agree it is frustrating for both the customer and the business both loose.

i suggest buying local if your in the US look for US suppliers in the UK shop in the UK

shop through Amazon or Ebay or Esty or any on line shopping. They have their own shipping or they will get involved either a refund or finding the package.

or just realize it is a 50/50 chance of getting stuff internationally and be willing to hunt it down. Sometimes it take EV a month or two to find the order or what the delay is. You have to keep at it until you contact a human.

there is a thread on this subject someplace on the forum
 
this was discussed here

 
I ordered ten Mantura 20mm cannons and carriages from a well known seller in the US about six weeks ago and they have not been delivered. I've contacted the seller and Mantura several times and have not received an answer about the delay.

The saga continues. For the same build, I ordered chain plates and other items from Amati in July. I contacted the shipping company about the delay. The tracking indicated that the order has been in Dubai for several weeks and has not moved. FedEx suggested I contact Amati. Amati has not bother to reply to any of my emails or phone calls.

Yes, I'm frustrated about paying for something, not receiving it, and venting. I guess some companies couldn't care less about customer retention.
Who is the vendor so I can steer clear??? Thanks.
 
Concur with Dave Stevens' comments.

First, let me state clearly we are not the vendor in question.

But as a vendor, we have considerable experience with shipping internationally and have some thoughts we'd like to share.

We completely recognize that international shipment delays are extremely frustrating for customers. And lack or any response from the vendor or otherwise poor communication from the vendor is very unprofessional and exasperating for the customer.

We ship internationally daily except on Sundays and holidays. Most shipments arrive to customers overseas relatively quickly, within a week or so. But not all. International shipping delays and tracking information errors are unfortunately common. During COVID, they were crippling and for a short time, we had to stop shipping overseas (now resumed).

Once a package is in the hands of the shipping carrier or is being held by customs officials in the receiving country for inspection, there is absolutely nothing we as the vendor can do to hurry things along or correct tracking information in systems we have no access to, and very little we can do to resolve any other shipping problems while the package is in transit.

For example, we recently had a customer in Australia wait 8 weeks for a package we shipped from our workshop in the USA, a very unusual event for a shipment to Oz. Normal delivery to Oz is 2 weeks. When our very patient and understanding customer finally received the package, it had been marked as held by Australian customs officials and opened for a biosecurity inspection. Such extra inspection scrutiny cannot be predicted or compensated for by us in another country on another continent. See photos.

In the event a package goes missing, the only things we can do as a vendor are 1) initiate a lost package search request with the shipping carrier, and if the package appears to be truly lost, 2) refund the customer or if the customer prefers, 3) replace the lost products and reship to the customer at our expense.

We do recognize that unscrupulous vendors do exist. When buying internationally, we recommend using a secure payment method such as PayPal so that you as the customer are protected. Services like PayPal and credit card issuers can quickly refund your money if the vendor is not meeting obligations.

Please note that in our experience, in nearly all instances post-COVID, the missing package was not truly lost, just delayed, and after an uncomfortable amount of time the package was in fact delivered to the customer. We do sincerely regret when these frustrating and concerning delays occur.

We recently had a customer in Europe grow impatient that his order had not arrived within 2 weeks after shipping, despite tracking information stating that the package had arrived in his country, and us asking international customers to allow 8 weeks for unusual delivery conditions like the one experienced by our Australian customer. He demanded replacements be sent immediately. We honored his demand at my family's expense. 3 days after we shipped the replacements, the original package was successfully delivered to the customer, 17 days after we shipped it. 14-21 days shipping to Europe is normal. The customer received the replacement models a week after that, which was faster than normal.

Because international shipping can be occasionally chaotic and somewhat unpredictable, we ask our international customers to allow up to 8 weeks for unusual delivery conditions before requesting a refund or replacements.

We're not trying to be difficult or unreasonable. We're trying to be realistic. Affordable international shipping is not a perfect process. Most of the time, the process works well. But sometimes, things go wrong in transit and packages get delayed. We very much regret that we can't make the process better.

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One point I saw in an earlier post in this thread was a comment stating that once a seller ships the product, the responsibility for delivery is out of their hands and its between the customer and the shipping company. DEAD WRONG... The customer can use tracking information (if provided) to see where the package is, but the seller owns the actual shipping agreement with the shipper. As such, if the package is lost or significantly delayed, it is the sellers responsibility and obligation to address the issue and resolve it to the customer's satisfaction.

A small side note based on personal experience. When I've sent email queries to companies that are based in non-English speaking countries, I use Google Translate to convert both the subject line and the content of my message into their native language. That has worked very well in communication with both Corel and Artesania Latina (as well as automotive manufacturers in Italy... but that's another story). Most often, in the body text of my message, I place the translated text first, and then insert my original English language text in quotes at the end of the message. I suspect the reason this may work well is that whomever has the task of handling the company's mailbox may not necessarily have multiple language skills, so making the subject line show up in language they can readily understand helps grease the wheels in getting the message to the right people for a response.
 
In my humble opinion. If you are in the USA, I would go out of my way to do business with Modelexpo located in Miami FL. Their customer service is top notch. John, the owner even answers the phone sometimes.
 
I agree with Frank, above, and would take it one step further. If you can't speak directly with the shop before you place an order, don't expect any special service. The modelling community is very small. You should get to know your local model shop, whether down the street, or half-way around the world, on a personal basis. It's like it always was, except you visit your hobby store from the comfort of your workshop.

The moto for my own business is "The World's Local Hobby Shop" and I am sure most good hobby suppliers feel the same way.

Cheers,

Rick
 
One point I saw in an earlier post in this thread was a comment stating that once a seller ships the product, the responsibility for delivery is out of their hands and its between the customer and the shipping company. DEAD WRONG...


Once a package is in the hands of the shipping carrier or is being held by customs officials in the receiving country for inspection, there is absolutely nothing we as the vendor can do to hurry things along or correct tracking information in systems, we have no access to, and very little we can do to resolve any other shipping problems while the package is in transit.


When we ship anything it has a tracking number and it is insured if the customer does not revive the package. We will do everything we can to track it down or file a claim. A customer than has the option for a refund from the insurance claim or we keep the claim and resend the item.
As far as i am concerned it is the shippers responsibility to cover the cost, they are the ones who messed up.
We would never leave a customer dangling in the dark, one way or another Ev will make sure we nor the customes gets screwed because of shipping problems.
 
And that's why you have such a good reputation in the market! Well done.

Regards,

Rick

however we do ask for your patience it takes sometimes weeks to resolve the problem. if it can not be found and it is covered by insurance as soon as we get notice we will resend the item and we will wait for reimbursement
 
It's a toss up no matter what shipping internationally. I used to ship high value items for my company regularly. Most would make it to the "other side" of the world within a couple days using the 'big three' shippers. Then there was that few hundred miles to Canada that might take 1-2 weeks. Occasionally one of those items never made it and were never seen again and I would need to reship then spend hours convincing a forwarder's insurance company that they owed us a the value of the item. What this boils down to - buy as close to home, wherever that is, if at all possible
 
As a scratch builder I have “no dog in this hunt” but have been reading these posts with interest and would like to offer my two cents worth. I worked for 36 years with two companies shipping heavy fabricated piping assemblies to international customers. So, what’s this got to do with the subject in question?

The subject of delivery in international transactions is not a matter of opinion. There is a list of standard terms that apply, For example, FOB means “Free on Board”. In other words, the shipper is responsible for loading the goods on the carrier’s vessel. In this case, “FOB our plant” would imply that the shipper’s responsibility ends when the goods are handed to the shipper. In the case where shipping is included in the price, the term is “FOB our plant with freight allowed.” Other standardized terms are also available.

Kits have become expensive! $500 - $1500 is certainly a major purchase for most modelers. I’m NOT suggesting that the lawyers get involved. I am suggesting that business owners shipping internationally pay some attention to these formalities and make it clear to purchasers before paying of the risks involved. Doing so would benefit both parties.

Roger
 
As a scratch builder I have “no dog in this hunt” but have been reading these posts with interest and would like to offer my two cents worth. I worked for 36 years with two companies shipping heavy fabricated piping assemblies to international customers. So, what’s this got to do with the subject in question?

The subject of delivery in international transactions is not a matter of opinion. There is a list of standard terms that apply, For example, FOB means “Free on Board”. In other words, the shipper is responsible for loading the goods on the carrier’s vessel. In this case, “FOB our plant” would imply that the shipper’s responsibility ends when the goods are handed to the shipper. In the case where shipping is included in the price, the term is “FOB our plant with freight allowed.” Other standardized terms are also available.

Kits have become expensive! $500 - $1500 is certainly a major purchase for most modelers. I’m NOT suggesting that the lawyers get involved. I am suggesting that business owners shipping internationally pay some attention to these formalities and make it clear to purchasers before paying of the risks involved. Doing so would benefit both parties.

Roger
Yes--especially because the shipping companies have been one of the causes of global inflation--with the profits they are making, they could at least do their job.
 
In my humble opinion. If you are in the USA, I would go out of my way to do business with Modelexpo located in Miami FL. Their customer service is top notch. John, the owner even answers the phone sometimes.
Even outside of the US, they're a great outfit to do business with. In my early days in the hobby, all of my kits (and I mean a lot of kits.... ships, cannons, limbers, deck cannon diorama kits, cross sections, etc.... even a couple of wooden airplane models) came from ME. Now, due to International shipping costs, I purchase from a large local hobby shop... and thankfully, they now carry a much wider selection than they did forty years ago.
 
One point I saw in an earlier post in this thread was a comment stating that once a seller ships the product, the responsibility for delivery is out of their hands and its between the customer and the shipping company. DEAD WRONG...


Once a package is in the hands of the shipping carrier or is being held by customs officials in the receiving country for inspection, there is absolutely nothing we as the vendor can do to hurry things along or correct tracking information in systems, we have no access to, and very little we can do to resolve any other shipping problems while the package is in transit.


When we ship anything it has a tracking number and it is insured if the customer does not revive the package. We will do everything we can to track it down or file a claim. A customer than has the option for a refund from the insurance claim or we keep the claim and resend the item.
As far as i am concerned it is the shippers responsibility to cover the cost, they are the ones who messed up.
We would never leave a customer dangling in the dark, one way or another Ev will make sure we nor the customes gets screwed because of shipping problems.
Yes, I think to a large degree we're beating the same drum. The seller pays for shipping, and thus owns the relationship with the carrier in that regard. The buyer has access to tracking information, but in my experience, if there's an issue with a missing or extremely delayed item, they will direct you back to whomever you purchased the item from for resolution. Perhaps I misunderstood what was being said, but when I mentioned that the responsibility for delivery is with the seller... yes... I know that as a seller you can't expedite delivery, other than offer expedited delivery at a cost when the shipping arrangements are purchased when the model/parts order goes to the shopping cart. The handling of the items are entirely with the shipping agent used for delivery of goods, but if there's a problem with the shipment, the relationship is between the seller and the shipping company. As a buyer we can simply express concern and request assistance from the seller to initiate a claim or investigation into the missing item. The way you've described how you handle these situations is what most buyers would consider best practices. Unfortunately, not all sellers operate in the same manner... but sincere thanks to those, like yourself, who do.
 
Update: I didn't name the seller because in the past they have always been great and they are only about fifteen miles from me, therefore low shipping costs, and timely delivery. I finally received the order from Amati after three months. I canceled the Mautua cannons order and placed an order Corel cannons from the same seller. They arrived in three days.
 
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