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Hello Les here. I have my Mamoli Endeavour planked down to and including the wales. I would appreciate some advice on the sequence for planking down to the keel. I have Marquardt's book on the subject. I have seen various methods but don't know which to use. Thnx.
 

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Hi Les here. I have two books. Ship modeling Simplified by Frank Mastini and Captain Cook's Endeavour by Karl Heinz Marquardt. I have looked at the Planking Project pdf link you gave and have downloaded it. I've looked at the ships of scale planking tutorial pdf 490637. Very good info. Thanks much.
 
Sorry to disagree Bryian but I found this book to give incorrect information on hull planking and would not use it.

Allan

The drawing below is from the book and labels the right side as being correct but it looks nothing like a properly planked hull as in the photos of the models below.


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AllanKP69 said:
Sorry to disagree Bryian but I found this book to give incorrect information on hull planking and would not use it.

Allan

The drawing below is from the book and labels the right side as being correct but it looks nothing like a properly planked hull as in the photos of the models below.


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That's Les's point I think--there's a lot of conflicting information out there and no such thing as a generic right way because every hull is a bit different.
 
Thomas said:
That's Les's point I think--there's a lot of conflicting information out there and no such thing as a generic right way because every hull is a bit different.
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Thank You. The Corel kit is very inaccurate as to almost everything. I have received photo etch and other detail work from Jotika to update this kit. Marquards book is very detailed but I still need help with spilling and drop planks. I need to see how it works. This is my first Capital ship and although any of my friends wouldn't notice the mistakes, I would. Sorry for the rant. Are there any second planking tutorials you would recommend?
 
Hello Les.
Planking is one of those skills that will only come with lots of practice. To be sure we all strive to get it done correctly so seek the best advice there is. You will make mistakes and you will know where you made them. I've built period ships, fishing boats, and sailing barges, the planking is all very similar in approach.
There has just been posted on the real ships forum here on SOS a very nice set of images of Endeavour, the third or fourth one in being a bow on image showing the planking to the stem, and it is nearer to horizontal at mid hull. Link is here :- Endeavour
For my own knowledge base I collect any images I encounter during web searches that show planking as well as having access to numerous wooden ships as I live on an Island and actually reside about 150 yards from the yard that built the Euterpe, better known now as Star of India. Yes, is is wrought iron, but the yard repairs all manner of craft.
Aye, Kim
 
bluenos2 said:
Thank You. The Corel kit is very inaccurate as to almost everything. I have received photo etch and other detail work from Jotika to update this kit. Marquards book is very detailed but I still need help with spilling and drop planks. I need to see how it works. This is my first Capital ship and although any of my friends wouldn't notice the mistakes, I would. Sorry for the rant. Are there any second planking tutorials you would recommend?
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Hi Les--I wouldn't worry so much about finding the tutorial that answers all of your questions. Although for many aspects of modelling you can just follow the directions (e.g., belay line A to rail B) planking is a much more fluid operation. As you would have learned from your first planking, it's a 3D multiverse in which you have to constantly be aware of how the hull is filling in, what kind of tapering is needed and whether each side of the hull is filling in symmetrically. The best advice on planking I got was in an early model where the instructions said "step back, take a breath and visualise what you're trying to accomplish." None of the techniques in any of the books or tutorials I've seen have ever really worked for me because each ship is different, plank widths vary slightly, your trimming will never be exact, etc. So the best advice I'd have is don't overthink it and downshift into slow motion--check everything on both sides and plan the next plank before you glue the current one.

I've been building ship models for over 30 years and none of the planking jobs on any of my ships is perfect, but it's a hobby and supposed to be fun so I don't lose any sleep over it. Good luck!
 
Greetings, Alan. To those who purchased your booklet is there a way to obtain updated/revised material?
 
Very nicely done Allan.

The only things that look odd to me are the wales at the forward rabbet on page 50 and port stops or linings on page 33. The wales were tapered in thickness as they approached the bow in order to seat properly in the rabbet so were the same thickness at the rabbet as the adjacent planking. I had a discussion with Grant Walker at Preble Hall about this some years ago as all the contemporary models show this thinning of the wales and was new for me back then.
Page 33 shows stops/linings on the top of the ports. Again, I have not seen this on any contemporary models at RMG or Preble Hall. They all have 1.5" thick stops on the sides and bottom only. I realize there were more exceptions than I can count on these old ships but these two items have been consistent in my research.

Thank you for sharing your work.

Allan
 
Hi Allan. Thanks for your comments.
The stop on the top of the port is incorrect. I agree, I will modify that. On a model it needs to be moved up to simulate the port frame inside the planking.
The thinning of the wales is a bit contentious. Chapman shows either on his draughts. NMM models also both interpretations. I remain agnostic on that one.
I will indicate either method on my drawings.
Thanks again for your comments.

Kind regards
Allan
 
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Chapman shows either on his draughts.
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Thanks Allan, much appreciated, Could you please post photos of his drawings on this as it is quite interesting. It may be time for me to invest in a copy of Architectura Navalis Mercatoria.

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Allan
 
AllanKP69 said:
Thanks Allan, much appreciated, Could you please post photos of his drawings on this as it is quite interesting. It may be time for me to invest in a copy of Architectura Navalis Mercatoria.

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Allan
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Hi Allan you don't have the Architectura Navalis Mercatoria.
Frank
 
Honestly I don't remember if it is in my stack of books and I am traveling. Even if I do, I obviously have fallen down for not looking at it. Shame on me........:oops:
Allan
 
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