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Hoy, 1760

Nice work Albert. I also hesitated for quite a while over the deck plank width, but eventually followed the one provided in the kit, which is 4 mm. I saw you referred to the width（around 7mm?） in Antscherl (2018), which looks more comfortable, less “stressful”. I simplified the construction of the main hatch by omitting the some joints.

The kit was designed based on the plan from Maritime Museum in Greenwich. I don’t have Antscherl’s book on hand, so I’m not sure what reference he used as a basis and why the model he built would differ from the kit by 10 mm. But 10mm differ is fine overall. Cheers.
 
Jackie Wolf said:
Nice work Albert. I also hesitated for quite a while over the deck plank width, but eventually followed the one provided in the kit, which is 4 mm. I saw you referred to the width（around 7mm?） in Antscherl (2018), which looks more comfortable, less “stressful”. I simplified the construction of the main hatch by omitting the some joints.

The kit was designed based on the plan from Maritime Museum in Greenwich. I don’t have Antscherl’s book on hand, so I’m not sure what reference he used as a basis and why the model he built would differ from the kit by 10 mm. But 10mm differ is fine overall. Cheers.
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You have a keen eye on scantling. Planks are basicly 7.1 or 7.2 mm wide (except for stealers, wich are even wider). The stripes provided with the kit looked to me to narrow compared to Antscherl's plan.The main issue here is pear stripes that wide are unavailable at my dealer, so I had to glue together two 6 mm slats and shaped them to measure. I also usued a black cotton "pre-applied" rope to simulate the caulking. Meanwile I added a couple of further raws of plank, but I'm not going to reach the centreline for sure. Last, even a full 10 mm discrepancy in width isn't a problem at all, indeed. Cheers!
 
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Do you have Albert any information about proper rigging, thread thickness in Hayling Hoy of 1759 by David Antscherl? Does book contain these elements of description or is it just a description of build structure?
 
Of corse I do. Antscherl's practicum has got a second section devoted to Hoy rigging. Any single rig, running or standing, is described and its circumference - not the radius or the diameter, plese note, what was a little annoying to me at first - meticulously detailed. I'have already converted any spec in diameter and in metric system as well. The ropes came along with the kit aren't very suitable for the job, rappresenting a gross trivialization of the variety and diameters actually needed.
Kind Regards
 
Albert Mary said:
Of corse I do. Antscherl's practicum has got a second section devoted to Hoy rigging. Any single rig, running or standing, is described and its circumference - not the radius or the diameter, plese note, what was a little annoying to me at first - meticulously detailed. I'have already converted any spec in diameter and in metric system as well. The ropes came along with the kit aren't very suitable for the job, rappresenting a gross trivialization of the variety and diameters actually needed.
Kind Regards
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I also found ropes in this kit are in wrong size. I purchased some replacements based on experience and feelings. It would be lovely if we share some more details on rope diameters. cheers.
 
I wrote indeed a rought synopsis... in (bad) italian, as I don't even know my own language for many english tech terms. I also simplified the inventory required by the practicum on what the market actuallly offers.
 
Jackie Wolf said:
I also found ropes in this kit are in wrong size. I purchased some replacements based on experience and feelings. It would be lovely if we share some more details on rope diameters. cheers.
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Albert Mary said:
I wrote indeed a rought synopsis... in (bad) italian, as I don't even know my own language for many english tech terms. I also simplified the inventory required by the practicum on what the market actuallly offers.
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What average thicknesses do you recommend instead of this from set?
 
Albert Mary said:
I wrote indeed a rought synopsis... in (bad) italian, as I don't even know my own language for many english tech terms. I also simplified the inventory required by the practicum on what the market actuallly offers.
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Much appreciated, Albert, I found Chatgpt very helpful in writing, as well as those seamanship terms, even if is a text in mixed language.

Sometime I just tired of read book in English, I would just drop a screenshot/photo to Chatgpt, and it will return the text in my language. :cool:
 
kuba91nt said:
What average thicknesses do you recommend instead of this from set?
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Hi folks, here is my initial replacement plan.
I got some threads from a tallship hobbyists shop.
Please note that only the diameter is measured, while the circumference is calculated.

D=1.55mm， C=4.87 mm is for the front stay.
D=1.1mm， C=3.46 mm is for shrouds, I tested it in the second photo, the size looks good.
D=0.5mm，C=1.57mm for ratline and running riggings

That D=0.15mm C=0.4712 is for seizing.

These thread were made of three strands.

Hope this helps.

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Jackie Wolf said:
Hi folks, here is my initial replacement plan.
I got some threads from a tallship hobbyists shop.
Please note that only the diameter is measured, while the circumference is calculated.

D=1.55mm， C=4.87 mm is for the front stay.
D=1.1mm， C=3.46 mm is for shrouds, I tested it in the second photo, the size looks good.
D=0.5mm，C=1.57mm for ratline and running riggings

That D=0.15mm C=0.4712 is for seizing.

These thread were made of three strands.

Hope this helps.

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Yes, interesting, interesting conversions.

Hoy has 22.5 feet
So mast length 22.5 x 2.5= 56,25 inch
Mast diameter 56,25 / 3 = 18,75
Stay circumference 18,75 / 2 = 9,37
Stay diameter 9,37 / 3.14 = 2,98 inch

2,98inch is 75,69mm 1:1
In 1/48 75,69mm is ~1.5833 mm on main stay shroud if i mesurment correct, so i agree, and i will try to make these ropes in the same way.
Of course if the conversion used is correct for this single-mast unit.
 
Great Albert, you confirmed that this is consistent with our calculations. Main wormed is 1.7mm, according to calculation and art of shipbuilding Thumbsup
 
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