1/200 USS Arizona - Build Log
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Thanks to David for assisting me in identifying the number, size and location of the Arizona's docking keels. With a minor adjustment to the long outer keels to produce a slight curvature to follow the hull line, this is how I plan to place them on the model.
Good question David, and well asked. I'm thinking a bit of trial and error in fabricating the keels. Not knowing how wide the keels would be in 1/200 scale, I may need to just eyeball it, given it's a detail that won't really be visible once the model is complete. Happy to accept any suggestions you may have.
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just looked at the cross section of the Arizona which can be found here http://www.researcheratlarge.com/Ships/BB39/BOGP/RG19_ALPHA_Arizona_BB39_09.jpg & it shows 18"(2.286mm) widths & 3.5"(.4445mm) thick. that thickness will change near the curve of the hull. mark the centers of those keels on the bottom of the hull so you can see what they will look somewhat when glued on, after marking the hull, glue on the inner ones then lay hull on flat surface to get measurement for thickness of outer ones & maybe the ends of the 2 front & 2 back keels if on curve of hull.
just re-looked at the keel layout you did & you'll need to make a correction. the inner 2 long keels do not go as far back as you have it shown. move them back to just aft of the next dark line. will send my email address in our conversation for you to send me a copy of your layout drawing hopefully at 615kb 4518x1042 pixels so i can see it better then what the site allows shown.
just re-looked at the keel layout you did & you'll need to make a correction. the inner 2 long keels do not go as far back as you have it shown. move them back to just aft of the next dark line. will send my email address in our conversation for you to send me a copy of your layout drawing hopefully at 615kb 4518x1042 pixels so i can see it better then what the site allows shown.
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It's the little things sometimes........
Things have progressed slower than expected due to a nasty bout of RSV; however, the hull is still being progressively worked, including the docking keels and some modifications to the torpedo blister, hawsepipes and prop shafts.
But it's been the little things I've been working on, almost sequentially working through the manual for a change
)) that have kept me sane these last few weeks. Nothing exceptional, but some finicky PE work to replace and improve kit parts.
Happy with work on the stern catapult last couple of days (almost finished), and other small parts such as direction finders and wildcats and the 5" casemate guns. Yep, sometimes it is just the little things.
Things have progressed slower than expected due to a nasty bout of RSV; however, the hull is still being progressively worked, including the docking keels and some modifications to the torpedo blister, hawsepipes and prop shafts.
But it's been the little things I've been working on, almost sequentially working through the manual for a change
)) that have kept me sane these last few weeks. Nothing exceptional, but some finicky PE work to replace and improve kit parts.Happy with work on the stern catapult last couple of days (almost finished), and other small parts such as direction finders and wildcats and the 5" casemate guns. Yep, sometimes it is just the little things.
Hi Steve,
I just purchased this kit myself as it was on sale for a great price. I'm interested to see all the modifications you are doing.
I just purchased this kit myself as it was on sale for a great price. I'm interested to see all the modifications you are doing.
Hello David and Steve,
just unpacking the kit now and following this thread with interest. Looks like I will start this kit first as my USS California model is still in transit from China.
I have purchased a wooden deck and considering buying the 3D printed upgrade set for Arizona.
Thought this was a reasonable price.
1/200 Model Upgrade Sets USS Arizona | eBay
Highly painting andassemble skill isrequired to complete this model. But as resin is delicate, if they do break all you have to do is use thick super glue to put them together. Static decoration, the wheel can not turn, this product is not a toy, can not fire, not suitable for children to play.
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you might want to be careful with that set as i got the 1/429 scale from similar store & had issues with them. 1 of boats in the 2 kits i bought plus a replacement set had the same issue of the exact boat with the cabin section delaminating from the hull. also the ship's funnel was 3mm too tall according to the plans i previously linked. check with model monkey at this link. https://www.model-monkey.com/battleships-200?page=2
ahuh! so what is the actual Sea Blue (5-S)? I have never been able to find an FS std, BSS std, or an RAL cross reference. The best I found was that Sea Blue 5-S was (is) a dark bluish Grey but is not referenced in the American Federal Standards colour charts or has a related colour formulae. Please help because having made the 1/350 version fascinated me so much that I will one day purchase either the 1/350 again or the 1/200 Arizona ---- 5-L Light Grey US 03, and 5-D Dark Gray US 04 are just Grey or Gray. Some documents argue that battleships at Pearl were in the process of being repainted hence offering greater confusion as to whether Arizona was predominantly Sea Blue or dark Grey - (Wiki, "at the time of the Pearl Harbor attack on December 7, 1941, most of the Pacific Fleet was still wearing dark gray Measure 1"). ----- I know, Pedanticism raising its most boring head my apologies
.This is beautiful work....It's the little things sometimes........
Things have progressed slower than expected due to a nasty bout of RSV; however, the hull is still being progressively worked, including the docking keels and some modifications to the torpedo blister, hawsepipes and prop shafts.
But it's been the little things I've been working on, almost sequentially working through the manual for a change
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Happy with work on the stern catapult last couple of days (almost finished), and other small parts such as direction finders and wildcats and the 5" casemate guns. Yep, sometimes it is just the little things.
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the American Federal Standards colour charts did not exist during the war as did not come out til the 1950's.ahuh! so what is the actual Sea Blue (5-S)? I have never been able to find an FS std, BSS std, or an RAL cross reference. The best I found was that Sea Blue 5-S was (is) a dark bluish Grey but is not referenced in the American Federal Standards colour charts or has a related colour formulae. Please help because having made the 1/350 version fascinated me so much that I will one day purchase either the 1/350 again or the 1/200 Arizona ---- 5-L Light Grey US 03, and 5-D Dark Gray US 04 are just Grey or Gray. Some documents argue that battleships at Pearl were in the process of being repainted hence offering greater confusion as to whether Arizona was predominantly Sea Blue or dark Grey - (Wiki, "at the time of the Pearl Harbor attack on December 7, 1941, most of the Pacific Fleet was still wearing dark gray Measure 1"). ----- I know, Pedanticism raising its most boring head my apologies
have a look at these pictures as might help you with the colors.
Just wondering when the red turret tops were introduced on the ship ? I'm personally not keen on the dark navy blue on the upper hull and superstructure.
I am thinking about a lighter gray for my upcoming build.
I am thinking about a lighter gray for my upcoming build.
Davidp, Thank you for posting the above. Federal Standard 595 is the color description and communication system developed in 1956 by the United States government. Its origins reach back to World War II when a problem of providing exact color specifications to military equipment subcontractors in different parts of the world became a matter of urgency. Federal Standard was discontinued in Feb 2017 and superseded by AMS, Aerospace Material Specification 595. https://ams-std-595-color.com
Note FS Sea Blue is designated the number 15042 which is darn near black. I have the Snyder and Short colour charts as above, What I cant find is the tinting formulae for these colours so that eye matching can be avoideds.
Anyway for general future information:
Federal Standard color to RAL
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Alternative colours | Colour converter to RAL BS Pantone Federal Standard AS 2700 Farrow and Ball Little Greene Dulux DIN NCS
Alternative colours | Colour converter to RAL, BS, Pantone, DIN, Australian Standard, Farrow and Ball, Little Greene, Federal Standard, Dulux and NCS
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Not that any of these matter because paint, especially enamels discolour/fade when exposed to the ambient. I guess when painting Ships, close enough is near enough like playing darts blind folded. If you hit the wall that's close enough to the bulls eye.
Bryian, Aerial Identification. some interesting photos here;
Bryian, there is so much controversy surrounding the Arizona's colours at Pearl that I don't think it matters much whether you paint her dark grey or the dark blue, leave the turrets a similar colour or, paint the tops light grey or red. I did mine in a darkish blue/grey and the turret tops red but not a bright red. Like all my other plastic models, sadly, they are no longer.
Cheers.
Hey Brian,
I found this letter dated 24 Mar 1941 which directed the colour of the battleship and cruiser turrets tops.
Arizona, being Battleship Division One, was directed to use Red for her turrets.
I've seen some information in various posts that turret 3, housing the aircraft catapult, had its top painted a dark grey, probably the same as the steel deck colour. I plan to paint mine to reflect this, but that's just me.
Cheers,
Steve