Airfix Golden Hind 1:72 ... "very free" conversion to 345 tons Elizabethian galleon of 1:100 ??? just try

[kirill4]

Good day very respective community!
A few years ago ,some crazy idea visited my head )) -what if to convert airfix kit of Golden Hind galleon to Elizabethian galleon of a little bit bigger size?
It looks like all existing versions and reconstructions of english galleons running around Matew Baker's famous drawing of probably" Elizabeth Jonas" galleon ... including this Airfix kit, and I thought what if I will play a little with idea of conversion GH into some bigger vessel of 1:100 schalle lets say and to see how it will looks like...
Frankly speaking it will be very historic free conversion, not strictly following any real ship construction rules but mostly just work of my imagination about Elizabethian galleon or english galleon of end of 16-begining of 17 centures ... What I like most of all - these are the arts of Vroom's which give us a lot of details of these" X mass " looks decorated vessel(galleons) of the period ))

 

[kirill4]

There are a few pictures of the "thinking" process ))

 

[kirill4]

some more imagineable pictures

 

[kirill4]

some of my conversion drawings

 

[kirill4]

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[DARIVS ARCHITECTVS]

Sounds like a worthy kit bashing project, as long as you’re looking to make a smaller model, and you’re not terribly confident in making a wooden hull. Other members like @Hubac’s Historian have done incredible hybrid models of plastic and wood. As a man-o-war junkie, I’ll be following your build with great interest!

 

[kirill4]

Thanks Kurt!
I 'm glad that You found time to pay your attention on my another one galleons experiments ! Great ! In my turn , I always monitor what You a doing with your version of SOS!!! )) Which You are doing between Good and often GREAT , I could admit
Same as Hubac Historian SR building reports I love very much !!!
There are a few modification of many which I've made in attempt to find final version of decoration for my version of Elizabethian galleon which will suit me to and to finish reserchs...









here you could find pictures in high resolutions
https://cloud.mail.ru/public/zuME/RfhkRAk66

 

[DARIVS ARCHITECTVS]

Wow! That ship is going to look FABULOUS. I'm stoked.

Here's a rigging and block plan for you... one can never have enough research source material!


This galleon features a lateen topsail which is super interesting. This model is one of my favorite models on this forum.

 

[Uwek]

a very interesting bashing project - not my famous time period (ship), but technically highly interesting
In the first row is my chair - and nobody is allowed to move it

 

[kirill4]

Wow! That ship is going to look FABULOUS. I'm stoked.

Here's a rigging and block plan for you... one can never have enough research source material!
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This galleon features a lateen topsail which is super interesting. This model is one of my favorite models on this forum.
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Good day Kurt!
Thanks for the information ! Indeed You are right!
All the Best!
Kirill

 

[kirill4]

a very interesting bashing project - not my famous time period (ship), but technically highly interesting
In the first row is my chair - and nobody is allowed to move it

Thanks Uwe, You are wellcome!

 

[Peter Gutterman]

Wow! I eagerly await following along and anticipate a spectacular finished model

 

[rick robbins]

I, too, am a Man-O-War junkie, & I can't wait to see how this turns out!
Rick1011

 

[kirill4]

Greetings all looking at the light ...
... somehow everything is slowly going on, but still a little thing is moving ... The greenish color on the stern shield was replaced by the royal blue as colleagues advised, railings and wales in the work still, as well as the decor of the sturncastle will still turn yellow (gilded) In the process ... feed so far so much ... on the model decor is assumed to be with gilding ... Eh, I love this business ))!
In reality, of course it was different, mostly imitation of gold by suitable colors ... the general concept of coloring and appearance - by the "motives" of this English. Galeon

All the best !!!



in higher resolution
https://cloud.mail.ru/public/uVLc/M7DzPpx45
https://cloud.mail.ru/public/7xcp/Ev51HyRmT

 

[DARIVS ARCHITECTVS]

Greetings all looking at the light ...
... somehow everything is slowly going on, but still a little thing is moving ... The greenish color on the stern shield was replaced by the royal blue as colleagues advised, railings and wales in the work still, as well as the decor of the sturncastle will still turn yellow (gilded) In the process ... feed so far so much ... on the model decor is assumed to be with gilding ... Eh, I love this business ))!
In reality, of course it was different, mostly imitation of gold by suitable colors ... the general concept of coloring and appearance - by the "motives" of this English. Galeon

All the best !!!
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in higher resolution
https://cloud.mail.ru/public/uVLc/M7DzPpx45
https://cloud.mail.ru/public/7xcp/Ev51HyRmT

Where did you hear about blue used instead of green? I have TWO HMS Revenge kits, and the OcCre one uses blue around the royal coat of arms on the stern, the Amati uses green. Is there any documentary evidence?

One looks green, the other blue...

 

[Peter Gutterman]

Since there were no cameras, written descriptions (which may vary) and the "eye of the beholder" (in paintings, also vary even of the same subject) are about as reliably documentary as you can get.

 

[DARIVS ARCHITECTVS]

Since there were no cameras, written descriptions (which may vary) and the "eye of the beholder" (in paintings, also vary even of the same subject) are about as reliably documentary as you can get.

How NICE would it be to get some SOLID answers to our questions on early ship design?

 

[Peter Gutterman]

I currently trying to build a model of "Flying Cloud" 1851. Between three sets of disparate plans, several models and books from over the last100 years or so, eyewitness journals (tantalizingly accurate, but incomplete, including colors by name and description only) and extrapolating from comparable clippers built by Donald McKay in the same time period, the image coming together is as layered as an archeological dig and as solid as the shifting sands beneath a tidal basin. Never mind the distortion as seen through a glass looking back over four or five hundred years, trying to nail down the decorative details and colors of an Elizabethan galleon.

 

[kirill4]

Yes...this is quite interesting question about color... if talking only about royal blue , how to show it on the model? If accept idea that royal coat of arms must be placed on the "royal blue" as background , than how to show it, this royal blue !!!???
I like very much painting style of Vroom , but this gentlmen, of course never use plain colors , on that fragments of his paints drawings which we posted above , all colors, which He use, they are something between blue and green and numerous variations of these two basic colors ( assume that there must be royal blue for example) ... in this case on the model it could be some greenish blue or blueish green colors if I could say that , instead of real, classic royal blue ...
same I could say about all other colors ... no plain red , black , white and so on , but allways something around basic , often very far around )) and often there could be some interesting visual effect would happened - like if we look at this shield of royal blue where I placed lily colored in bright ochre (supposed it could be gilded on the model ?) and somehow whole combination getting some very sligthly greenish effect ?
All of these transformations of the colors are very interesting !






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[Peter Gutterman]

Also consider, when using ancient paintings and prints, that the colors fade, change, under U.V. light exposure, chemical degradation and the browning of over varnishing over time.