Airfix Golden Hind 1/72 with added rigging and details

[kirill4]

Good day,
Fully agree with DAFI regarding position of FM - it was quite usual for that period(end of 16th begining of 17th) to place fore mast here, for me seems smthg wrong when I see for this period and type of the vessels they try to place fore mast on the FCstl deck thus making incredible mess with rigging here on such limited/narrow space ( as most of the 16th galleons had )...
I faced this issues personaly in the past when assembling spanish galleon model... and I liked this AirFix kit 1:72 for they did it historically correctly ...
look at this autentic pictures as example of FM location before FC forward bulkhead ...
All the Best and happy NY 2026!

 

[kirill4]

more intersting details of the rigging You could find here , on this famous ElJonas galleon model, consider as dafi said absolutely right "... All models of Golden Hind or Revenge base originally on that MB drawings, having the flaws added later. And as you look to seek for the best interpratation, also do not look at replicas or modern models, they are just as good as the knowledge of the builder was...."

Elizabethan Galleon, 'Elizabeth Jonas' | Science Museum Group Collection

Model ship, with full rigging and figure on deck. 1:48 scale model of the Elizabethan galleon, 'Elizabeth Jonas', built c.1600. Constructed by Science Museum model maker Philip Davies, in the workshops at South Kensington, London, in 1931. The human figure was a later addition made by Barbara...

collection.sciencemuseumgroup.org.uk

 

[johnlattanzio]

Dafi, Kiril4: thanks very much!

In my mind I have stopped referring to the "corrected Airfix" location and will henceforth refer to it as the "alternate" location.

And I agree - I will put it where Airfix suggested, before the FC. It will be another point of difference between this ship and later ships..and hence part of the reason for having different models!

Many thanks!

 

[Jim Fortnam]

Dafi, Kiril4: thanks very much!

In my mind I have stopped referring to the "corrected Airfix" location and will henceforth refer to it as the "alternate" location.

And I agree - I will put it where Airfix suggested, before the FC. It will be another point of difference between this ship and later ships..and hence part of the reason for having different models!

Many thanks!

this is getting SO interesting.

As regards the hand rail question though, the picture of the inside merely demonstrates how old the tooling is - back to the days when moulds always had the ‘inside’ flat to save expense and complexity.
Ask yourself if you intend to paint it, and if so go the route of adding a strip to the inside and filler/abrasive to give a smooth top surface.
As to the foremast - as we said previously, there is no factual evidence, so you are making it the way you choose. Put yourself in the mind of the shipyard master, knowing what they thought they knew about ship design, and decide where to place the mast.

Exciting !

J

 

[johnlattanzio]

Thanks Jim....the inside strip seems to be fairly safe from producing a large error, and is not too fiddly. I will either go with that or just paint...simplest but not as good. I will report back. SPending the next couple of days removing gun ports and making shutters for the windows!

 

[johnlattanzio]

Oh - someone (I forget who, but it was probably in a SoS forum on the GH) recommended the Anatomy of the Book on the Susan Constant. I have been reading that too. Very similar ship, similar period. It has the foremast at the very far forward part of the forecastle. It is a useful reference!

 

[johnlattanzio]

Oh - someone (I forget who, but it was probably in a SoS forum on the GH) recommended the Anatomy of the Book on the Susan Constant. I have been reading that too. Very similar ship, similar period. It has the foremast at the very far forward part of the forecastle. It is a useful reference!

So to add further to the confusion...Eugen's plans show the mast through the forecastle also...

 

[kirill4]

Good day,
As I remember Eugen did his GH reconstruction by motife of R.Aker's GH reconstruction , but R.Aker placed fore mast penetrates trough fcstl deck / but , You could ask him-Eugen directly, why he did it like this? ...
In common, it is very strange for me - on most contemporary pictures it is clear seen that fore mast, as a rule, placed in front of forecastle beakhead bulkhead and only in few cases we could find it went trough forecastle deck , but modern reconstructors /designers all as one prefer to place it passes trough forecastle deck ... I don't understand why...?

 

[Jim Fortnam]

Oh - someone (I forget who, but it was probably in a SoS forum on the GH) recommended the Anatomy of the Book on the Susan Constant. I have been reading that too. Very similar ship, similar period. It has the foremast at the very far forward part of the forecastle. It is a useful reference!

Not that this is any pretence of accuracy, but yesterday I had the TV on, showing the Pirates of Caribbean one with Blackbeard. The ships that were reconstructed and CGI’d were about GH period and design, with foremasts in different places.

Hollywood is known for historical accuracy of course, (ahem) so I suggest that their pictorial evidence can be regarded as the absolute truth. (Cough)


J

 

[johnlattanzio]

I am still trying to decide where to put the foremast! But in the meantime I have opened out the gun ports and made shutters for the upper deck windows. They will look like shutters when painted with hinges etc. I hope.

 

[johnlattanzio]

Not that this is any pretence of accuracy, but yesterday I had the TV on, showing the Pirates of Caribbean one with Blackbeard. The ships that were reconstructed and CGI’d were about GH period and design, with foremasts in different places.

Hollywood is known for historical accuracy of course, so I suggest that their pictorial evidence can be regarded as the absolute truth.


J

The "different places" might be more accurate than we think Seems this period was about the time of the transition from before the forecastle to through forecastle?

 

[johnlattanzio]

more intersting details of the rigging You could find here , on this famous ElJonas galleon model, consider as dafi said absolutely right "... All models of Golden Hind or Revenge base originally on that MB drawings, having the flaws added later. And as you look to seek for the best interpratation, also do not look at replicas or modern models, they are just as good as the knowledge of the builder was...."

Elizabethan Galleon, 'Elizabeth Jonas' | Science Museum Group Collection

Model ship, with full rigging and figure on deck. 1:48 scale model of the Elizabethan galleon, 'Elizabeth Jonas', built c.1600. Constructed by Science Museum model maker Philip Davies, in the workshops at South Kensington, London, in 1931. The human figure was a later addition made by Barbara...

collection.sciencemuseumgroup.org.uk

Maybe I am nuts (this is certainly possible) but I cannot see the foremast in any of the pictures. There is one where it is blocked by a sail...