Black Swan

[AllanKP69]

Maybe Alan can give me a hand with that.

Not sure which Alan/Allan/Allen you mean. My apologies if it was meant for someone else......

I realize you are building a fictional vessel but as you are staying with the 17th and early 18th century, the carriages were bed type which were nothing like those for Armstrongs, and Blomefields. I only have a few pictures on my laptop while we are traveling so apologize for not being able to provide more information.

Assuming you want something from English ships circa 1650-1710


The carriage design below is from the HMS London wreck 1665 Carriages in 1725 were still bed type but a little different.


The Commonwealth barrel pattern would be most appropriate.



As to dimensions I have nothing specific but once you have the length of the barrel, be it the designated or the overall length, the carriage dimensions can be figured out pretty closely. I would be delighted to help as much as I can IF you wish.

Allan

 

[GIG1810]

Not sure which Alan/Allan/Allen you mean. My apologies if it was meant for someone else......

I realize you are building a fictional vessel but as you are staying with the 17th and early 18th century, the carriages were bed type which were nothing like those for Armstrongs, and Blomefields. I only have a few pictures on my laptop while we are traveling so apologize for not being able to provide more information.

Assuming you want something from English ships circa 1650-1710


The carriage design below is from the HMS London wreck 1665 Carriages in 1725 were still bed type but a little different.

View attachment 543335
The Commonwealth barrel pattern would be most appropriate.

View attachment 543336

As to dimensions I have nothing specific but once you have the length of the barrel, be it the designated or the overall length, the carriage dimensions can be figured out pretty closely. I would be delighted to help as much as I can IF you wish.

Allan

Hello AlanKP69

Please accept my apologies. Of course I meant my esteemed AlanKP69. I just forgot the KP69. Mea culpa, sir.

Thank you for your reply, even though you are travelling. I didn't want to disturb your holiday either. You are right, I am building a fantasy ship. Of course, I want to incorporate as many parts as possible, such as the rigging and planking, that actually existed at the time. I was unsure about the guns. Especially as this gun carriage existed. I took the artistic liberty of using the gun carriages from 1780 onwards. I would say that the Athena survived into the early 18th century. This was because she was sailed by an excellent captain and crew, was always in absolutely excellent condition and was way ahead of her time. As a result, she sent many a pirate pack to Poseidon with bag and baggage.

I am always delighted that you give me such excellent support and that I can benefit from your wealth of knowledge. Thank you very much for your support.

Please excuse my poor English, but I can only communicate via the English translator. I speak and understand English, but I am absolutely terrible at grammar ... Thank you for your understanding.

 

[AllanKP69]

Mea culpa,

Nihil est my friend
You are like many people outside the US as you have an understanding, speaking and reading multiple languages and should be proud, For me, I try with my French and Italian, but in the end rely on my wife for French and Google for Italian and every other language

Allan

 

[GIG1810]

What would we be without our women my friend......

 

[AllanKP69]

What would we be without our women my friend.

Lonely!

 

[Namabiiru]

Lonely!

And messy…

 

[GIG1810]

Ahoy sailors,

Yes, you're right, without our wives we'd be poor.
No one to tell us,
- Why don't you tidy up?
- Take out the rubbish?
- like on the couch again?
-There's still so much to do. What are you doing ...??

All of this makes us smile and we always say: "Yes, my darling, it's done ... Because we'll do anything for a smile on our loved one's face ...

Remember: Happy wife, happy life ...

 

[GIG1810]

Not sure which Alan/Allan/Allen you mean. My apologies if it was meant for someone else......

I realize you are building a fictional vessel but as you are staying with the 17th and early 18th century, the carriages were bed type which were nothing like those for Armstrongs, and Blomefields. I only have a few pictures on my laptop while we are traveling so apologize for not being able to provide more information.

Assuming you want something from English ships circa 1650-1710


The carriage design below is from the HMS London wreck 1665 Carriages in 1725 were still bed type but a little different.

View attachment 543335
The Commonwealth barrel pattern would be most appropriate.

View attachment 543336

As to dimensions I have nothing specific but once you have the length of the barrel, be it the designated or the overall length, the carriage dimensions can be figured out pretty closely. I would be delighted to help as much as I can IF you wish.

Allan

Hello AlanKP69,

I have a question regarding the cannon and the gun carriage. I found this picture and wanted to ask if this is such a cannon from the end of the 16th century. It was declared as such. Could it be correct?

Thank you very much.....

 

[Namabiiru]

Not sure about the barrel, but there is no way the carriage is accurate. The barrel is resting on the front of the carriage so it can’t be lowered to a proper angle, and the trunion is not set into the carriage sides. I doubt that flimsy bracket would survive more than a handful of firings.

 

[AllanKP69]

Hi Gunther,

I have no experience with 16th century English ordnance, but did find the below which are supposedly 16th century designs. Is there a photo of the cipher that is more clear? 16th century cannon, if they had a cipher, would be Henricus Rex (HR) with a Tudor crown or Elizabetha Regina (ER) with a crown. In addition to the observation by Namabiiru I THINK the carriage shown would not be correct for any ship of any era as the trucks have metal bands which was indicative of use on land, not on wooden decks. The cap squares are wrong as well along with the axles. Regarding the barrel there is a ring around the cascabel which was only done on Armstrong and Armstrong Frederick pattern cannon in the 18th century if they were English. Do you have the link where this was declared to be 16th century? Did they say if it was English or from a different nation?

Allan