BUILD LOG: SOLEIL ROYAL - TRYING TO ENHANCE KIT DeA [COMPLETED BUILD]

Hi Frank, this is how I began my statement: "I made some study in the last days and asked for informations to several modelists that are supposed to know their stuff".... so the answer to your question in yes, albeit there are basic rules I won't discuss.That book looks interesting, can you provide title and author please?
P.S. Mi sono accorto adesso che sei italiano anche tu, mi fa strano comunicare in inglese con un italiano (Lol!)
 
Alessandro63 said:
Still about joints...
I made some study in the last days and asked for informations to several modelists that are supposed to know their stuff. The result is that basicly everyone tells his story that is different from the others. My conclusion is that the only truth is there is no truth, so I will proceed with my version of truth following the way that appears to be more logic.
The basic joint is on the heads, the same as for decks. For hulls there also are two types of scull joints, simple and double.
As these kinds of joints are more stable, the logic tells me they were the ones used for hulls. Therefore I will use the double one for girdles and the simple one for the rest of the plank.

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May I say some words about this subject.
The two scarf types you showed in the sketch are usually used for connections of the keel - and also used in combination of bolts which were driven verically through both wooden parts

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also the connections shown in the pdfs Frank posted here are for the keel and not the planking (hull and deck)

The so called Hook and Butt Planking was used when the planking has also to take over bigger tension forces, so it was used often on the wales
also anchor stock planking and Top and Butt planking was used, but usually not for the normal planked areas of the hull (or deck)

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but the normal planking which was only takeing over forces of water pressure with the necessity of watertightness (as much as possible) was connected with a simple butt joint

So I think, that the type "flat scarf" which you showed in your first sketch was not used for your normal planking - Here I recommend the normal butt joint (which is also much easier to make in modeling)
 
Alessandro63 said:
Ciao Frank, è così che ho iniziato la mia : "Ho fatto degli studi negli ultimi giorni e ho chiesto informazioni a diversi modellisti che dovrebbero sapere il fatto loro".... quindi la risposta alla tua domanda è sì, anche se lì lì ci sono regole di base di cui non parlerò. Quel libro sembra interessante, puoi fornire titolo e autore per favore?
PS Mi sono accorto comunicare adesso che sei italiano anche tu, mi fa strano in inglese con un italiano (Lol!)
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Uwek said:
May I say some words about this subject.
The two scarf types you showed in the sketch are usually used for connections of the keel - and also used in combination of bolts which were driven verically through both wooden parts

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also the connections shown in the pdfs Frank posted here are for the keel and not the planking (hull and deck)

The so called Hook and Butt Planking was used when the planking has also to take over bigger tension forces, so it was used often on the wales
also anchor stock planking and Top and Butt planking was used, but usually not for the normal planked areas of the hull (or deck)

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but the normal planking which was only takeing over forces of water pressure with the necessity of watertightness (as much as possible) was connected with a simple butt joint

So I think, that the type "flat scarf" which you showed in your first sketch was not used for your normal planking - Here I recommend the normal butt joint (which is also much easier to make in modeling)
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precise, I have never mentioned the planking and plank of the bridges with the images posted
 
Uwek said:
May I say some words about this subject.
The two scarf types you showed in the sketch are usually used for connections of the keel - and also used in combination of bolts which were driven verically through both wooden parts

View attachment 337965

also the connections shown in the pdfs Frank posted here are for the keel and not the planking (hull and deck)

The so called Hook and Butt Planking was used when the planking has also to take over bigger tension forces, so it was used often on the wales
also anchor stock planking and Top and Butt planking was used, but usually not for the normal planked areas of the hull (or deck)

View attachment 337964

but the normal planking which was only takeing over forces of water pressure with the necessity of watertightness (as much as possible) was connected with a simple butt joint

So I think, that the type "flat scarf" which you showed in your first sketch was not used for your normal planking - Here I recommend the normal butt joint (which is also much easier to make in modeling)
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Hi Uwek, your information is welcome; indeed it makes sense.
However I've gotten also the opposite, that is to say that the "flat scarf" joint was the rule for planks, and the explanations to support this thesis made sense too. So I think that first of all each navy had its own method, and second it has been made a lot of mess by historians and modelists.
I've consulted some well known monographies too and each of them tells a different story. Said that choosing one kind of joint or another shouldn't be considered a mistake and, as I've already begun with the flat scarf joint, I will go this way on.
Anyway thank you.
 
Alessandro63 said:
Ciao Uwek, le tue informazioni sono benvenute; In effetti ha senso. Tuttavia ho ottenuto anche il contrario, vale a dire che il giunto "sciarpa piatta" era la regola per le assi, e anche le spiegazioni a sostegno di questa tesi avevano senso. Quindi penso che prima di tutto ogni marina avesse il suo metodo, e in secondo luogo è stato fatto un sacco di casino da storici e modellisti. Ho consultato anche alcune monografie ben note e ognuna di esse racconta una storia diversa. Detto che scegliere un tipo di articolazione o un altro non dovrebbe essere considerato un errore e, poiché ho già iniziato con l'articolazione della sciarpa piatta, andrò avanti in questo modo. Comunque grazie.
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Se mi è permessso farei anche attenzione a distinguere le varie differenza di costruzione fra marina Francese e da quella Inglese .
 
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decks are done with the hue I desired, I painted the higher side and also gunwales and scuppers are done. They are so thin that it has been a hard taugh to make them: gunwales are made with a little steel tube 1mm diameter. Also the joints of hull belts have been not easy as I hed to work with a course 4mm. wide.

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Alessandro63 said:
Building update:
decks are done with the hue I desired, I painted the higher side and also gunwales and scuppers are done. They are so thin that it has been a hard taugh to make them: gunwales are made with a little steel tube 1mm diameter. Also the joints of hull belts have been not easy as I hed to work with a course 4mm. wide.

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the hatches are not all positioned in the same direction, sorry for the observation

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Alessandro63 said:
Hello, just started to build this amazing vessel in scale 1:70. DeA's kit is very well done, qualitiy materials and decorations, but it is a kit and this time I want to go beyond and build a model that when I'll look at it I can say I couldn't make it better than that.
Some pics of deks not yet finished: at the end they will look teak color; also a detail of the shape of some floor boards. Hoping you will like them, every suggest coming from experts is welcome.
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Hallo @Alessandro63
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