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warren47

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Can anyone point me to reference material that discusses construction of the Enterprise class ship hulls? I can find the big pieces on plans but have not been successful finding how deck beams are fastened, how frames are fastened to the hull. I think Sutherland’s work is too early and I cannot wade through Steel's material.
 
warren47 said:
Can anyone point me to reference material that discusses construction of the Enterprise class ship hulls? I can find the big pieces on plans but have not been successful finding how deck beams are fastened, how frames are fastened to the hull. I think Sutherland’s work is too early and I cannot wade through Steel's material.
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Are you looking for historical information or how to build a POF model of the Enterprize?
 
check the instruction manual for the POF model of the enterprize. I think it's model dockyard that have that available online.
 
Jack Sparrow I am looking for historical methods. I have Greenwich museum drawings as well as plans that I believe to be model shipyard. I should also point out that I am contemplating a 1:48 scratch build. I wish the results to be as accurate as possible, hence the research. I am also at an age where the carvings for some of the more popular ships are beyond my visual and physical capabilities. I live in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, USA so visits to the UK museums are out of the question.
 
warren47 said:
Jack Sparrow I am looking for historical methods. I have Greenwich museum drawings as well as plans that I believe to be model shipyard. I should also point out that I am contemplating a 1:48 scratch build. I wish the results to be as accurate as possible, hence the research. I am also at an age where the carvings for some of the more popular ships are beyond my visual and physical capabilities. I live in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, USA so visits to the UK museums are out of the question.
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The Modelship Dockyard kit is based on the original drawings and museum models and other research
 
warren47 said:
I am looking for historical methods.
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Hi Warren

There is a contract for her sister ship Aurora (28) 1776 which should be a big help as there are a lot of details. Two examples from the Aurora contract.

KEEL ………… The Keel to be Elm, not more than 4 pieces 13½ ins square in Mids, sided afore 12 ins, & at the aft part of the rabbet of the post 10 ins. The Scarphs 3 ft 8 ins long, tabled one into the other, laid with white Flannel oakum bolted with Six Bolts 1 in diameter. The lips of the said scarphs not to be left more than 3⅞ in thick.

FLOOR TIMBERS The Floor Timbers, between Timber 5 & Timber C in the Bearing of the Ship to be sided 12 ins, & from 5 to 19 aft & from C to M forward inclusive sided 11 ins, & from 19 aft, & M forward sided 10 ins, to be in length in Mids18 ft 6 ins, afore & abaft as the Draught directs.

CHOCKS No Chock to be larger on any Floor Timber than will admit of one foot whole Wood below the cutting down in &, out & afore & abaft to increase as the shape of the timber may require for strength, to be moulded at the heads 9⅛ ins, in & out & Afore & abaft 9¼ ins. Every other floor timber to be bolted thro' the main Keel & the bolts carefully clenched before the false Keel is put under with bolts of 1 ¼ ins diameter

You can also find scantlings for ships of that era in the Shipbuilder's Repository 1788 which is available along with the Establishment of 1719, 1745, and 1750 and David Steel's Elements and Practice of Naval Architecture in Scantlings of Royal Navy Ships from Seawatch books. NB: There are some differences at times between the contract and scantlings in the Repository but usually not significant to the naked eye at our most common scales. Where there is conflict it is best to use the contract figures as both the Shipbuilder's Repository and Elements and Practice of Naval Architecture are generic to specific ship sizes by number of guns over a spread of about 15 years in the latter 18th century into the first few years of the 19th century.

If you do not have a copy of the contract but would like one please feel free to PM me and I can email a PDF to you. I would post it here but it is 28 pages long.

Allan
 
I just reviewed the Model ship Dockyard Enterprise build manual and looked at the build log. I must say, I am impressed. It shows the details I am looking for. At first glance it has all of the bells and whistles that I have seen in the Aurora contract. I still think I need to hold out for historical support.
AllanKP69 said:
Hi Warren

There is a contract for her sister ship Aurora (28) 1776 which should be a big help as there are a lot of details. Two examples from the Aurora contract.

KEEL ………… The Keel to be Elm, not more than 4 pieces 13½ ins square in Mids, sided afore 12 ins, & at the aft part of the rabbet of the post 10 ins. The Scarphs 3 ft 8 ins long, tabled one into the other, laid with white Flannel oakum bolted with Six Bolts 1 in diameter. The lips of the said scarphs not to be left more than 3⅞ in thick.

FLOOR TIMBERS The Floor Timbers, between Timber 5 & Timber C in the Bearing of the Ship to be sided 12 ins, & from 5 to 19 aft & from C to M forward inclusive sided 11 ins, & from 19 aft, & M forward sided 10 ins, to be in length in Mids18 ft 6 ins, afore & abaft as the Draught directs.

CHOCKS No Chock to be larger on any Floor Timber than will admit of one foot whole Wood below the cutting down in &, out & afore & abaft to increase as the shape of the timber may require for strength, to be moulded at the heads 9⅛ ins, in & out & Afore & abaft 9¼ ins. Every other floor timber to be bolted thro' the main Keel & the bolts carefully clenched before the false Keel is put under with bolts of 1 ¼ ins diameter

You can also find scantlings for ships of that era in the Shipbuilder's Repository 1788 which is available along with the Establishment of 1719, 1745, and 1750 and David Steel's Elements and Practice of Naval Architecture in Scantlings of Royal Navy Ships from Seawatch books. NB: There are some differences at times between the contract and scantlings in the Repository but usually not significant to the naked eye at our most common scales. Where there is conflict it is best to use the contract figures as both the Shipbuilder's Repository and Elements and Practice of Naval Architecture are generic to specific ship sizes by number of guns over a spread of about 15 years in the latter 18th century into the first few years of the 19th century.

If you do not have a copy of the contract but would like one please feel free to PM me and I can email a PDF to you. I would post it here but it is 28 pages long.

Allan
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Thank you Allan but I already have the contract. Very informative. As for "Shipbuilders's Repository 1788" it a bit out of my price range. I have access to Steel. I will see what he has to add.
 
warren47 said:
Shipbuilders's Repository 1788" it a bit out of my price range.
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You can get all the scantlings for the Establishments, Steel, and the Repository from Seawatch for $45. The Repository book has more information than just the scantlings but I agree that $400 is pretty steep.
Allan
 
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HMS Enterprise (1774 - 1807) / 28-gun frigate / Enterprise class HMS Enterprise (also often spelled 'HMS Enterprize') was a 28 gun, 6th rate frigate built for the Royal Navy by the Royal Dockyard at Deptford. She was the lead ship of the Enterprise class of 27 small sailing frigates. The 6th...
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Thank you Ewek. I had seen most of it. I had not seen the CAF Enterprise build log. I am now sitting back asking myself if I really want to commit 5 to 10 years on this effort.
 
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