HIGH HOPES, WILD MEN AND THE DEVIL’S JAW - Willem Barentsz Kolderstok 1:50

Heinrich said:
Dear Lawrence, my friend it is so nice to hear from you. I have not moved house - still in China, still in Nantong and still working at the school. I think you refer to the stunning picture that @RDN1954 Johan posted. Please send my love to Bernadette as well.
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Hello Henrich, So very nice to hear from you again. I thought you had moved as SOS had you listed under the Seychelles flag that sure looks like a very nice place and then again today SOS has you listed under the USA flag, golly what a mix up.
Regards Lawrence
 
GrantTyler said:
Good morning Heinrich. It is so good to see you are doing well and that your career is flourishing. May you have the best festive season and a hearty Merry Xmas from your hometown of Melkbosstrand. Cheers Grant
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Dear Grant - it is so good to hear from you! It is hard to believe that it has been almost 18 months since my visit to SA - time surely flies. Have a blessed Christmas, my friend.
 
Heinrich said:
My Dear Friend. It is so good to hear from you and Marijke, but I have heard that she is not well. Is she better now?
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Please forgive the late reply, i cannot check the forum as often as i would like but it is improving again.

My friend, she is on the mend, every day a little step in the good direction, and at this moment she is doing her things in the house again, and we go together shopping.
She can't do everything yet, but this is already very nice to see, how she is improving.

Greetings for you and Anna ,

Peter and Marijke
 
pingu57 said:
Please forgive the late reply, i cannot check the forum as often as i would like but it is improving again.

My friend, she is on the mend, every day a little step in the good direction, and at this moment she is doing her things in the house again, and we go together shopping.
She can't do everything yet, but this is already very nice to see, how she is improving.

Greetings for you and Anna ,

Peter and Marijke
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Dear Peter. This is the best news ever. One can face all challenges in life so long as we have our health. Please give Marijke a big hug from me, Anna and my two zeeduivels!
 
Dear Friends

As the year marches on relentlessly - yes, it's almost the end of January - we are nearing a very special date on the 24th; @pietsan PIET'S BIRTHDAY! I know that it is still two days away, but this time I am rather early than belated.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, PIET!!!

May 2025 be a wonderful year in which you will - above all else - enjoy good health and the minimum of physical discomfort. May you be spared many years of good health for us to enjoy and admire your work. This year I celebrate your birthday with a build that I know was special to you and one that you enjoyed very much - the Royal Caroline (Panart version).

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Some time ago, (23 October 2023), @Kolderstok Hans posted the following on my log. At the time, I read it and commented on it, but, somehow, it did not stick in what was at the time a pretty muddled mind. Now that I have re-read it, the full implication has struck home.

Hans wrote: "recently I read a book by Mr J.C. Mollema - De Nederlandsche vlag op de wereldzeeën - driemaal is scheepsrecht.
This book is about the three journeys which were made to find the northern passage.
The book is from 1930, so before any archives were lost in the second world war.

I just need to interrupt here by saying that Jaig Cornelis (JC) Mollema was a well-known authority on Dutch Naval History who authored many books on the subject.

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Two things were described in this book:
- of the two ships on the third journey, Barentsz sailed on the bigger one. See image

(translated): " On the small ship of Barentsz was an experienced shipper (captain) in charge, Jacob van Heemskerck, with volunteer Gerrit de Veer as the helper of Barentsz, where Barentsz himself was the "beleyder" of the journey, in more modern Dutch the technical leader of the journey. (..) The command of the second, smaller ship was Jan Cornelisz. Rijp...(.) "

And right there my friends is what I have said all along: Barentsz was on the BIGGER of the two ships. With that short little sentence Mr. Mollema blows Hoving and De Weerdt's assumptions (and all of their subsequent research and findings) that Barentsz was on the smaller of the two ships into the water.

To think that De Weerdt named his replica De Witte Swaen because it was the only 30 lasten ship available for sale at the time, when he should in fact have been looking for a 50 lasten ship, is tragic.

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Well Heinrich, this sounds like a very satisfying conclusion to a well-studied long running saga, one that I have thoroughly enjoyed following along with. Thank you!
 
Daniel20 said:
Well Heinrich, this sounds like a very satisfying conclusion to a well-studied long running saga, one that I have thoroughly enjoyed following along with. Thank you!
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Thank you very much, Daniel. I also think that is a good point at which to call the research a day. There may or may not be a follow-up to this saga, but if so, it will be in a different log and a new build.
 
Heinrich said:
Some time ago, (23 October 2023), @Kolderstok Hans posted the following on my log. At the time, I read it and commented on it, but, somehow, it did not stick in what was at the time a pretty muddled mind. Now that I have re-read it, the full implication has struck home.

Hans wrote: "recently I read a book by Mr J.C. Mollema - De Nederlandsche vlag op de wereldzeeën - driemaal is scheepsrecht.
This book is about the three journeys which were made to find the northern passage.
The book is from 1930, so before any archives were lost in the second world war.

I just need to interrupt here by saying that Jaig Cornelis (JC) Mollema was a well-known authority on Dutch Naval History who authored many books on the subject.

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Two things were described in this book:
- of the two ships on the third journey, Barentsz sailed on the bigger one. See image

(translated): " On the small ship of Barentsz was an experienced shipper (captain) in charge, Jacob van Heemskerck, with volunteer Gerrit de Veer as the helper of Barentsz, where Barentsz himself was the "beleyder" of the journey, in more modern Dutch the technical leader of the journey. (..) The command of the second, smaller ship was Jan Cornelisz. Rijp...(.) "

And right there my friends is what I have said all along: Barentsz was on the BIGGER of the two ships. With that short little sentence Mr. Mollema blows Hoving and De Weerdt's assumptions (and all of their subsequent research and findings) that Barentsz was on the smaller of the two ships into the water.

To think that De Weerdt named his replica De Witte Swaen because it was the only 30 lasten ship available for sale at the time, when he should in fact have been looking for a 50 lasten ship, is tragic.

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Hey Heinrich, for sure a very interesting quote from Mollema's publication, but... (yeah, there's the infamous "but" again) is this quote verifiable?
Mind you, I'm in no position to either confirm or deny Mollema's quote, still I preferably would be looking for either other trustworthy references or for multiple sources with similar findings.
 
RDN1954 said:
Hey Heinrich, for sure a very interesting quote from Mollema's publication, but... (yeah, there's the infamous "but" again) is this quote verifiable?
Mind you, I'm in no position to either confirm or deny Mollema's quote, still I preferably would be looking for either other trustworthy references or for multiple sources with similar findings.
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Johan, I don't think anything will ever be verifiable. But if you have an opinion such as the one of Mollema which was published in the 1930's and the identification by Peter Boyarsky which was made known from 1995 onwards - the one Dutch, the other Russian - and they arrive at the same conclusion (which just so happens to be my own conclusion as well), then that is enough for me.
 
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