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HIGH HOPES, WILD MEN AND THE DEVIL’S JAW - Willem Barentsz Kolderstok 1:50

Heinrich said:
Front wall left completely open.
Front wall with two door openings but no doors.
Front wall with two door openings and two doors.
Front wall with single door opening, but no door.
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Well Heinrich……. You have for now 2 WB’s. Just make 2 others and you can present all the 4 options. :)
Regards, Peter
 
Heinrich said:
Hello Friends

The stanchions between the two canopies have all been trimmed to size and, strictly speaking, I can now be forming and shaping the two top railings that need to go on.

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But then it dawned upon me that IF I am going to fit a front wall of the center canopy, I have to do it BEFORE the top railing goes on. The reason is that the top railing will extend all the way to where the front wall would be. (See picture above).

And that brings me to my dilemma. To front wall or not!

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On his build, @Ab Hoving Ab has made provision for two doors, but at this point the doors had not yet been placed - or so it would seem. Interestingly, the front wall has been planked vertically and not with the overlapping (schotelende) planks as I have by now become used to on Dutch ships.

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His plans show the same configuration, but here it becomes obvious that no doors were used. In his drawings of the captain's cabin, Ab pertinently shows the doors, so we can assume it is no omission here. No why you would create a front wall, create the openings for two doors and then not place them - especially in a bitterly cold polar climate, is beyond my understanding.

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Secondly, we have De Weerdt's interpretation where he has left out the front wall completely and the whole structure remains open.

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Thirdly, we have the @Kolderstok version which has a closed front wall AND two doors installed (exactly like I have built it on WB#1.

Now with all due respect to my learned friends, theirs are interpretations (as is my build), so I turned to what has become my favorite and the only original source - the drawings of Gerrit De Veer. Unfortunately, in this instance, the drawings are also contradictory.

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On this drawing you will see a multitude of very closely grouped vertical lines in the red block which indicate an opening - thus a left-open front wall a la Gerald De Weerdt/replica.

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While my favorite drawing clearly shows a closed structure with a single, arched door opening, but no door.

So, in summary, I have the following options:

Front wall left completely open.
Front wall with two door openings but no doors.
Front wall with two door openings and two doors.
Front wall with single door opening, but no door.

Which one would you guys go for?
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To prevent them from the cold: 2 door openings with 2 doors. Give them a bit of comfort.
Regards, Peter
 
Peter Voogt said:
To prevent them from the cold: 2 door openings with 2 doors. Give them a bit of comfort.
Regards, Peter
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Thank you for the input, Peter - it is much appreciated!

Score:

Front wall left completely open. 0
Front wall with two door openings but no doors. 0
Front wall with two door openings and two doors. 1
Front wall with single door opening, but no door. 0
 
Hello Heinrich,
I like the Gerald De Weerdt/replica with the open arch. I actually think there are two open arches in his drawing. I still can't get over the mizzen mast being way over on the starboard side though.
 
Daniel20 said:
Hello Heinrich,
I like the Gerald De Weerdt/replica with the open arch. I actually think there are two open arches in his drawing. I still can't get over the mizzen mast being way over on the starboard side though.
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Thank you, Daniel - much appreciated! As to the mizzen mast appearing to be way over to the right (looking from the front), it is a classic example of how misleading pictures can be.

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That mizzen mast is squarely in line with the other two - dead center! ROTF

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Kolderstok said:
If I were a carpenter, and my ship would go to a bitter cold environment I would be pretty sure to make a closed wall with doors…
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You do realize that you will then have to send me two more doors! ROTF I screwed up the one set, and the other set now sits proudly in the captain's cabin - which, by the way, becomes completely hidden from view when the front wall of the center canopy is closed up with doors! ROTF

Score:

Front wall left completely open. 1
Front wall with two door openings but no doors. 0
Front wall with two door openings and two doors. 2
Front wall with single door opening, but no door. 0
 
If I recall the spacing problems from the WB#1 build correctly (especially regarding the two boats to be stored on deck) I would vote for the completely open version just for usability reasons. This ship is very small and deck space is quite limited, so I would assume they opted for the version that provides the most usable space.
 
Peter Voogt said:
Well Heinrich……. You have for now 2 WB’s. Just make 2 others and you can present all the 4 options. :)
Regards, Peter
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Hi Peter. I appreciate it very much that you think so much of my unbridled enthusiasm, but that ain't going to happen. In fact, it will take one hell of a ship to entice me into another build.
 
dThomas said:
If I recall the spacing problems from the WB#1 build correctly (especially regarding the two boats to be stored on deck) I would vote for the completely open version just for usability reasons. This ship is very small and deck space is quite limited, so I would assume they opted for the version that provides the most usable space.
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That is an excellent point - thank you for that! Thumbsup If the front wall is left open, then, in combination with the front canopy that will definitely be left open, storing the two boats - even the bigger one of the two - will become a much more feasible option!
 
Daniel20 said:
Front wall with two arched openings but no doors. 1 :D
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Are you changing your vote, young man!? ROTF

Front wall left completely open. 1
Front wall with two door openings but no doors. 1
Front wall with two door openings and two doors. 2
Front wall with single door opening, but no door. 0
 
Heinrich said:
Okiedokie! I was hoping everyone would vote for leaving it open - less work for me! ROTF
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Actually, on a more serious note I do like the look of having two arched openings for the sake symmetry. Even though De Weerdt shows only one arched opening, that would drive me nuts as a visual presentation. Having said that @dThomas makes the best argument for a completely open front. After all the roof would be an open grid so why have doors?
 
Heinrich said:
I was hoping everyone would vote for leaving it open - less work for me!
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OK. I'll be your guy Heinrich. I vote for keeping it fully open. That's the only way anyone will even have a remote chance of seeing the captain's quarters and it opens up the possibility of adding other details (a workbench or table under the canopy, maybe a barrel or two, a Keurig station or perhaps a cigarette vending machine for the crew...).
 
Daniel20 said:
Actually, on a more serious note I do like the look of having two arched openings for the sake symmetry. Even though De Weerdt shows only one arched opening, that would drive me nuts as a visual presentation. Having said that @dThomas makes the best argument for a completely open front. After all the roof would be an open grid so why have doors?
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Daniel, I agree. Purely from a logistics point, leaving the front open makes a lot of sense. On the other hand, I like the one opening of De Veer as I really like that particular drawing of the ship and I have leant heavily on the rest of the drawing in my build (the wales, the pinched look at the front, the bulbous nose etc.). Also, if I do go for railings, it would all be because of that pic. The symmetry won't bother me, because the opening is in the middle.
 
Jack Jäger said:
Hi Heinrich, Put me down for one door closed. Been out winter fishing often enough to appreciate the luxury of getting out of the weather. Cheers JJ.
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Thank you, Jack. I am glad that the single door opening gets a vote, as I really like it.
 
dockattner said:
OK. I'll be your guy Heinrich. I vote for keeping it fully open. That's the only way anyone will even have a remote chance of seeing the captain's quarters and it opens up the possibility of adding other details (a workbench or table under the canopy, maybe a barrel or two, a Keurig station or perhaps a cigarette vending machine for the crew...).
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Thank you, Paul. Obviously, I wasn't serious about that being the treason for leaving the front open, but it is less work. The captain's cabin is just visible as it is now - with the front wall closed, that's that - no cabin. After the fact, I have now learnt that the compass binnacle was stored underneath the center canopy, but now it's too late to do anything about that. (Also, the scale just precludes me from adding more detail at this point in the build. As to the cigarette vending machine - the shipwright will be the best customer!
 
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