HMS Agamemnon by Caldercraft

[iutar]

Dear Mark, If you choose the "ship under Nelson's command" option, then you definitely and without the slightest doubt need to choose the strictly black and yellow option, as you showed in the picture.


In this case, you can already paint the central line in the middle (in the blue version - in no case!!!).
Don't forget, in this photo the white ropes in the deadeyes are a mistake, they should be black. The ship's copper sheathing was installed before 1783, which means it should have a wooden elm plank at the top.

Chris Wotton showed the stern decorations incorrectly.
I'm traveling now, if I have time, I'll definitely tell you how to do it correctly.

I think the lesson topic hi-hi-hi is closed (it's nice that Mark also came across information similar to mine!) But I'll say it again: the biggest stupidity that Malcolm Darch made was the old paint job, but for some reason with a new black stripe in the middle. Here he contradicts himself, because even if the ship had not been painted, then in principle this stripe could not have existed. But even so the ship would have perished, because this is enemy paint.

 

[HMSFly]

Dear Mark, If you choose the "ship under Nelson's command" option, then you definitely and without the slightest doubt need to choose the strictly black and yellow option, as you showed in the picture.
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In this case, you can already paint the central line in the middle (in the blue version - in no case!!!).
Don't forget, in this photo the white ropes in the deadeyes are a mistake, they should be black. The ship's copper sheathing was installed before 1783, which means it should have a wooden elm plank at the top.

Chris Wotton showed the stern decorations incorrectly.
I'm traveling now, if I have time, I'll definitely tell you how to do it correctly.

I think the lesson topic hi-hi-hi is closed (it's nice that Mark also came across information similar to mine!) But I'll say it again: the biggest stupidity that Malcolm Darch made was the old paint job, but for some reason with a new black stripe in the middle. Here he contradicts himself, because even if the ship had not been painted, then in principle this stripe could not have existed. But even so the ship would have perished, because this is enemy paint.

Thanks!

I'll wait until you are back from travel....

 

[HMSFly]

Assembling the Side Gallery...

 

[iutar]

Dear Mark! Here are some photos. Look carefully, draw conclusions. Perhaps you will want to improve something in your model.
Chris Watton greatly simplified the stern of his model.
1. The side windows of the galleries, both floors, were blind, not real. There were wooden plates on which all the side galleries were supported. The windows were simply painted black, and the window frames were made of decorative strips. In the last quarter of the century, this was the case from the third rank and below.

2. The taffrail always had a wide, large, beautiful visor on which the taffrail sculptures rested. This visor was always there. It was usually painted red.

2.a. Because of the visor, there was less space for the taffrail sculptures, so on English ships the sculptures were always reclining, but never sitting, like on Chris.


3. The side sculptures on the quartopics stood on the sides, not behind. They buried the end cuts of the boards and protected them from rotting.

Also pay attention to how the balcony looks from below.

 

[HMSFly]

Dear Mark! Here are some photos. Look carefully, draw conclusions. Perhaps you will want to improve something in your model.
Chris Watton greatly simplified the stern of his model.
1. The side windows of the galleries, both floors, were blind, not real. There were wooden plates on which all the side galleries were supported. The windows were simply painted black, and the window frames were made of decorative strips. In the last quarter of the century, this was the case from the third rank and below.

2. The taffrail always had a wide, large, beautiful visor on which the taffrail sculptures rested. This visor was always there. It was usually painted red.

2.a. Because of the visor, there was less space for the taffrail sculptures, so on English ships the sculptures were always reclining, but never sitting, like on Chris.


3. The side sculptures on the quartopics stood on the sides, not behind. They buried the end cuts of the boards and protected them from rotting.

Also pay attention to how the balcony looks from below.



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Wow! I'm definitely going to do something with this! I just need to think about how first!

Thx Iutar!

 

[iutar]

Without a doubt, the most accurate depiction of the coloring of ships of the last quarter of the century was given by the famous sailor and artist Nicholas Pocock.
You can see more than a hundred of his paintings at this link.

Category:Nicholas Pocock - Wikimedia Commons

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Here's what Malcolm Darch says about the coloring of his model:

"The stern carving was researched from a painting by Nicholas Pocock of the stern of the ship painted at Chatham in 1784 from life, whilst undergoing repairs for damage sustained at the Battle of the Saints two years earlier in the West Indies. The painting, an oil, was commissioned by Admiral Hood. It depicts Paris on the port quarter and Helen on the starboard quarter in all her beauty & finery. Three naked Trojan women hold aloft two silhouettes, one of George III and the other of his wife Charlotte. On the stern below are the usual female figures completing the stern figure decoration."

1. As I said, Malcolm contradicts himself: first he says that the ship was not repaired until the nineties, but then he says that he obviously knows perfectly well that the ship was repaired and was even painted by Nicholas Pocock. And on the basis of this painting Malcolm depicted the sculptures of the stern.
2. Maybe the painting Malcolm refers to will give us some pointers on how to paint the model? Malcolm spent 8 months studying the ship, you and I can find the painting in a couple of seconds, and spend another couple of minutes studying the ship's paint scheme. The painting is called "The Battle of the Saints, 12 April 1782"

Category:Paintings of naval battles by Nicholas Pocock - Wikimedia Commons

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Draw your own conclusions.

 

[HMSFly]

Without words......