Hello Friends of the cardboard!
I did some braintraining this morning while on my way
with Herrmann and Oratio on our morning walk. There will be during the next weeks or month No Time and inner calmness for building more than an half an hour or one on my BELLE POULE Kit. So I can thinking and research while on my way from and to work. Perchange I could do some sketches and doodlings, too. But this would be my possibility for the time untill Christmas (at minimum) or so.
So I do need something to think about and I did find
HMS TYGER 1681
what is one of the most often drawn ship by the Van de Veldes.
Here a contemporary ship ADVENTURE I may use for the gun port arrangement (I have to weite the named onto the drawings as my stupid smartphone doesn't show the data's name) so I have got an other 44-gunner for comparison. Also the transom's area is quite similar
And for rebuilding the 1:100
Oriel Kit of HMS MORDAUNT with 46 guns of 1681 into HMS TYGER of 1681 a 44-gun vessel is the idea - also it isn't the such expensive kit as BELLONA would be if I may faul. What is the reason I do start here to avoid this - but a second trial isn't that financial breakdown as with a wooden kit ist would be.
There are five very good views of her handed over to us by Van de Velde three in the Dutch Bojiman's Museum in Rotterdam and two in the NMM.
There we're several TYGERS in the Royal Navy so a short excurse into history and my normenclatura may be of intrest:
As I do number the ship by Roman numbers and any (re)build get's a letter so the second TYGER in it's as build shape will be called "TYGER IIa" - by this the complexibility is reduced.
A Brief History
The First HMS TYGER Ia was a 22-gun ship of 1546 in 1570 she was rebuild into TYGER Ib and after 1600 serving as a floating battery TYGER Ic that condemed in 1605.
The next HMS TYGER II was a Expedition vessel built in 1613 Not really much is known about.
The TYGER IIIb is my object and was Part of the line of a TYGERs being rebuild several times:
TYGER IIIa 1647
TYGER IIIb 1681
TYGER IIIc 1701
TYGER IIId 1705
and
TYGER IIIe 1721 being lost on a riff in 1746.
The next TYGER IVa was written TIGER and a 50 gun ship build in 1743 and renamed HARWICH shortly before her launch.
TYGER Va
was a 60 gun vessel of the 1745 Establishment of 1218 15⁄94 tons.
As TYGER Vb in 1760 she was converted into a hulk and in 1765 sold out of the Navy.
The TYGER VIb was a Spanisch ship of 1747 called TIGRE in Spanisch duties before caputered in the 23.VIII.1762 a 74-gun-vessel serving in the Royal Navy untill sold in 1780.
HMS TYGER VIa
was a 64-gun third rate launched in 1764 as HMS Ardent. She was captured by the French in 1764, but was recaptured in 1782 and renamed HMS Tiger. She was sold in 1784.
TYGER VIIa 1802(from before her launch called GRAMPUS)
The repair and refit in 1810 making her TYGER VIIb. 1836 she was stricken from the navy's list.
TYGER VIIIa of 1794 was a four gun Dutch hoy purchased by the Admiratity for the squadron of the Channel Islands together with four sister ships.
The next TYGER IXb was a French Tèmériere class ship of the Line with 80 guns.
TYGER IXa
was a 12gun Brig in Service between 1808 to 1812.
TYGER Xa 1846
was a wooden hulled paddlewheeled steam frigat of 12 guns and Mist interesting she had a
highly modern solid round stern with an anacrinistic transom sunk near Ordesse by the grounding in the Crimean war one of her guns is still in display in Odessa.
TYGER XI was a 30-knots-C-class Destroyer launched 19.V 1900 and sank in collision with HMS BERWICK 02. IV. 1908.
The next ist the Battlecruiser TYGER launched 15.XII.1913 and was scapped in 1932.
And the Last RN's TYGER XIIIa
was the 1945 build as a cruiser and rebuild as a Missile Cruiser in 1959.
But after going into history back to our modeling project.
TYGER (IIIb 1681)
Here the beautyfull Stern View showing the enclosement of the most outstanding Windows by paintings (for shure on wood) parallel to the CWL.
This view from the starboard bow view does give us some Idea of the arrangement of the gunports - but it doesn't fit to the proofed 1681 picture above in the gunports piercing the wales. In the upper picture four gunports are cut into the wale in this drawing only the Last two do the same. So Here we May have the later TYGER (Ic) after the
So my idea is to use the basic hull of the MORDAUNT kit and alter it towards the wales, gunport positions and cladding the new quarter gallery design and the canged gunport onto this hull. (The other project after her will be taking the HMS LEOPARD of 1776 altering her into the beautiful HMS EXPERIMENT of 1775 with her bright colours.)
So the gunports need to be altered in position and the detailling does need correction. But when I stay with the hull and do use the given parts - changing them in detail it may work.
This picture shows clearly the cutting in Wales and the positions of the gun ports.
This picture shows an other Angle of View where the wales are identical and are pierced only by the last two gunports the stern nearest gun port is completly in the wales on it's stern side...
Again here - so this may be for shure the same TYGER IIIb
In this painting she is shown in the right hand Corner but the picture over the row of windows seems to be summarized in one big picture...
...and not seperated into ten fractions. But the wales and gunports shapes are identical.
So after all the discussions this sideview is identical to the wales but when we look on the gunports of the upper Deck there are suppenly round gunports no quare ones. So May this be a artistical surgery giving to us TYGER IIIb1?
What do you think about this idea?
What do you think is the idea of taking MORDAUNT as a basis a good idea?
I did some braintraining this morning while on my way
with Herrmann and Oratio on our morning walk. There will be during the next weeks or month No Time and inner calmness for building more than an half an hour or one on my BELLE POULE Kit. So I can thinking and research while on my way from and to work. Perchange I could do some sketches and doodlings, too. But this would be my possibility for the time untill Christmas (at minimum) or so.
So I do need something to think about and I did find
HMS TYGER 1681
what is one of the most often drawn ship by the Van de Veldes.
Here a contemporary ship ADVENTURE I may use for the gun port arrangement (I have to weite the named onto the drawings as my stupid smartphone doesn't show the data's name) so I have got an other 44-gunner for comparison. Also the transom's area is quite similar
And for rebuilding the 1:100
Oriel Kit of HMS MORDAUNT with 46 guns of 1681 into HMS TYGER of 1681 a 44-gun vessel is the idea - also it isn't the such expensive kit as BELLONA would be if I may faul. What is the reason I do start here to avoid this - but a second trial isn't that financial breakdown as with a wooden kit ist would be.
There are five very good views of her handed over to us by Van de Velde three in the Dutch Bojiman's Museum in Rotterdam and two in the NMM.
There we're several TYGERS in the Royal Navy so a short excurse into history and my normenclatura may be of intrest:
As I do number the ship by Roman numbers and any (re)build get's a letter so the second TYGER in it's as build shape will be called "TYGER IIa" - by this the complexibility is reduced.
A Brief History
The First HMS TYGER Ia was a 22-gun ship of 1546 in 1570 she was rebuild into TYGER Ib and after 1600 serving as a floating battery TYGER Ic that condemed in 1605.
The next HMS TYGER II was a Expedition vessel built in 1613 Not really much is known about.
The TYGER IIIb is my object and was Part of the line of a TYGERs being rebuild several times:
TYGER IIIa 1647
TYGER IIIb 1681
TYGER IIIc 1701
TYGER IIId 1705
and
TYGER IIIe 1721 being lost on a riff in 1746.
The next TYGER IVa was written TIGER and a 50 gun ship build in 1743 and renamed HARWICH shortly before her launch.
TYGER Va
was a 60 gun vessel of the 1745 Establishment of 1218 15⁄94 tons.
As TYGER Vb in 1760 she was converted into a hulk and in 1765 sold out of the Navy.
The TYGER VIb was a Spanisch ship of 1747 called TIGRE in Spanisch duties before caputered in the 23.VIII.1762 a 74-gun-vessel serving in the Royal Navy untill sold in 1780.
HMS TYGER VIa
was a 64-gun third rate launched in 1764 as HMS Ardent. She was captured by the French in 1764, but was recaptured in 1782 and renamed HMS Tiger. She was sold in 1784.
TYGER VIIa 1802(from before her launch called GRAMPUS)
The repair and refit in 1810 making her TYGER VIIb. 1836 she was stricken from the navy's list.
TYGER VIIIa of 1794 was a four gun Dutch hoy purchased by the Admiratity for the squadron of the Channel Islands together with four sister ships.
The next TYGER IXb was a French Tèmériere class ship of the Line with 80 guns.
TYGER IXa
was a 12gun Brig in Service between 1808 to 1812.
TYGER Xa 1846
was a wooden hulled paddlewheeled steam frigat of 12 guns and Mist interesting she had a
highly modern solid round stern with an anacrinistic transom sunk near Ordesse by the grounding in the Crimean war one of her guns is still in display in Odessa.
TYGER XI was a 30-knots-C-class Destroyer launched 19.V 1900 and sank in collision with HMS BERWICK 02. IV. 1908.
The next ist the Battlecruiser TYGER launched 15.XII.1913 and was scapped in 1932.
And the Last RN's TYGER XIIIa
was the 1945 build as a cruiser and rebuild as a Missile Cruiser in 1959.
But after going into history back to our modeling project.
TYGER (IIIb 1681)
Here the beautyfull Stern View showing the enclosement of the most outstanding Windows by paintings (for shure on wood) parallel to the CWL.
This view from the starboard bow view does give us some Idea of the arrangement of the gunports - but it doesn't fit to the proofed 1681 picture above in the gunports piercing the wales. In the upper picture four gunports are cut into the wale in this drawing only the Last two do the same. So Here we May have the later TYGER (Ic) after the
So my idea is to use the basic hull of the MORDAUNT kit and alter it towards the wales, gunport positions and cladding the new quarter gallery design and the canged gunport onto this hull. (The other project after her will be taking the HMS LEOPARD of 1776 altering her into the beautiful HMS EXPERIMENT of 1775 with her bright colours.)
So the gunports need to be altered in position and the detailling does need correction. But when I stay with the hull and do use the given parts - changing them in detail it may work.
This picture shows clearly the cutting in Wales and the positions of the gun ports.
This picture shows an other Angle of View where the wales are identical and are pierced only by the last two gunports the stern nearest gun port is completly in the wales on it's stern side...
Again here - so this may be for shure the same TYGER IIIb
In this painting she is shown in the right hand Corner but the picture over the row of windows seems to be summarized in one big picture...
...and not seperated into ten fractions. But the wales and gunports shapes are identical.
So after all the discussions this sideview is identical to the wales but when we look on the gunports of the upper Deck there are suppenly round gunports no quare ones. So May this be a artistical surgery giving to us TYGER IIIb1?
What do you think about this idea?
What do you think is the idea of taking MORDAUNT as a basis a good idea?
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