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Information on heller royal louis?

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Hello, I know their royal louis is suppose to represent the 1780 version but I wonder how much information we have on it, if original drawing exist, if we know its colors and if it's possible to do it post revolution using the kit.
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Thanks for your answers!
 
Usually when I ask the gang here for pictures to base colors for painted and bare wood stain, I get blank stares. Why? I suspect it's just because there are no direct source in most cases. TRUSTWORTHY SOURCES ARE SCARCE. The overall appearance of this model and almost all others on box cover art, except for recent ships like HMS Victory and USS Constitution, is created entirely by the artist. Artist's depictions are so influential that models kits made decades later are based on them. The Heller kits are OLD. They set the bar on how several ships are thought by many to appear today. Color choices from 70 years ago become accepted as factual. In truth, there is little evidence to suggest a color scheme, except perhaps some artist's painting from 1680 or something, and even that is hugely suspect. But, when making a model you grab greedily at every bit of information you can find, and that isn't much. You usually choose to copy a feature that someone before you chose, hoping it may be right, but you'll never really know. You end up creating an appearance that it your idea of what it should look like.

Same ship. Compare the details, like ornamentation, location of the channels, and stern castle shape, in addition to color. Which one is right?
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Description on the page of Musée national de la Marine.


If you belive wikipedia this Royal Louis didn't see any action

Another question is why would you want to make changes in such small ship. In Heller's Soleil Royal it's possible but very very hard. Even reaching this level of details is very hard.

My build log for RL
 
Thanks, on the changes, it's in case there's a big really visible innacracie, if it's small/too small/or not visible, I won't bother correcting it. After doing research, the heller kit is more similar to the musee de la Marine model, not sure how accurate it is in therm of color since it's a instruction model who must've beenn restaured at some point.
 
In my opinion it's not similar. It's directly based on it. BUT. Heller did some changes in lenght of the model. There's also old mantua model in 1/90(or was because it's no longer available even second hand) which has complete rigging in the contrary to the Paris model.

If you consider buying Royal Louis I advise against. Heller's Le Superbe is only little bigger but that difrence is significant and model has much more details


Space behind main mast on musee de la Marine model
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Heller
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You didn't seemed so negative on the kit in your thread to me. I've seen people doing a good job on it "from the box" and since we don't seem to know much about the royal louis heller based their kit on (still haven't found OG drawing of the 1759 or 1780 one), I'll give somewhat a pass on its innacuracies.
 
Usually when I ask the gang here for pictures to base colors for painted and bare wood stain, I get blank stares. Why? I suspect it's just because there are no direct source in most cases. TRUSTWORTHY SOURCES ARE SCARCE. The overall appearance of this model and almost all others on box cover art, except for recent ships like HMS Victory and USS Constitution, is created entirely by the artist. Artist's depictions are so influential that models kits made decades later are based on them. The Heller kits are OLD. They set the bar on how several ships are thought by many to appear today. Color choices from 70 years ago become accepted as factual. In truth, there is little evidence to suggest a color scheme, except perhaps some artist's painting from 1680 or something, and even that is hugely suspect. But, when making a model you grab greedily at every bit of information you can find, and that isn't much. You usually choose to copy a feature that someone before you chose, hoping it may be right, but you'll never really know. You end up creating an appearance that it your idea of what it should look like.

Same ship. Compare the details, like ornamentation, location of the channels, and stern castle shape, in addition to color. Which one is right?
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Is the last picture of a model yours, Kurt?
 
I do wonder why heller noted "Louis XV" on this boxart, tho at the same time made it the 1778 RL in other box. I think one could convert it to a "la république", the only drawing I was able to find show it sinking with a slightly different sail arrangement and a lantern on the stern for some reason when ships like "le commerce de marseille" or "l'océan" aren't shown with one, wonder why it was included on the drawing.
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Another one shows it with 3 lanterns:
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This painting without lantern and with much more windows than some representation of the ship:
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All pics are from the wiki article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_ship_Royal_Louis_(1780)
I wonder if the disrepencies in color and details are due to no original drawing of this royal louis/le républicain existing
 
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