need some ideas please

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davef said:
Hey I only build ships. I am not going to argue past differences. What I read I pass on, I don't take sides.
Psyche sat a docks covered from Febuary on. An old canvas was used to cover the upper deck area. I far I read masts installed but nothing else. If you do come across the info please post it. It adds to the authentication of the vessel.
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Hum, thought we was having a discussion, it seems it was your post that said some thing about arguing. A person opinion is not a argument on how they see thing's, wouldn't you agree, that we all have one.
 
garyshipwright said:
Well Dave it does seem that without the contracts we may never know how the Psyche came out.
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well its possible if anyone wants to go in search of the Psyche plans drawn by Commander Barrie in 1831.

but i think it is within historical reason the Psyche and Charlotte were built the same being Bell and Strickland scrapped the original Admiralty frigate and redesigned it. Heck they had a frigate sitting right in their yard to copy, why not?
 
davef said:
The Psyche was launched on Dec.24th of 1814. a treaty was signed next day. All war activities ended. She was never outfitted or sailed. As a matter of interest, She was continued finishing her in secret, because the british did not trust the americans. They felt america would invade. If you read the Barrie Fonds several times the shipyard was put on alert because American's had hostilities as America grew.
It's an old argument that I will continue to argue.
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Davef isn't this what you said that you will continure to argue. .
 
garyshipwright said:
Well Dave it does seem that without the contracts we may never know how the Psyche came out.
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I have talked to curator of kingston shipbuilding history.But it was many moons ago and I don't remember anything useful coming from that conversation. I lived in toronto and had a brother who lived in Kingston so i did go regularly up there. I do not believe there were contracts per say. then. It was war and an urgency to get ships was important.
But I do know the british are sticklers for following rules.
 
actually i might go as far as state

maybe the Psyche and Charlotte were sister ships and one copied the other

Bell and his brother John worked in Goudie ship yards so
 
Dave Stevens (Lumberyard) said:
but i think it is within historical reason the Psyche and Charlotte were built the same being Bell and Strickland scrapped the original Admiralty frigate and redesigned it. Heck they had a frigate sitting right in their yard to copy, why not?
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Well it could be historical possible but I don't think we will ever know for sure, that is unless you have a time machine in your back pocket. :)
 
Dave Stevens (Lumberyard) said:
well DaveF ask a simple question and get a full dissertation on ship building and history lesson.
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And why not. I have learned things and possibly have grown a little in the mean time.
Since I developed this eye condition, it has humbled me to the point that I know my sight will disappear shortly and I want to finish this particular ship and maybe the kits I have accumulated over time. Might have a giant garage sale in the future :).
 
davef said:
I have talked to curator of kingston shipbuilding history.But it was many moons ago and I don't remember anything useful coming from that conversation. I lived in toronto and had a brother who lived in Kingston so i did go regularly up there. I do not believe there were contracts per say. then. It was war and an urgency to get ships was important.
But I do know the british are sticklers for following rules.
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Well Davef with out them being sticklers we sure would have a lot less to talk about. :)
 
Dave Stevens (Lumberyard) said:
well its possible if anyone wants to go in search of the Psyche plans drawn by Commander Barrie in 1831.

but i think it is within historical reason the Psyche and Charlotte were built the same being Bell and Strickland scrapped the original Admiralty frigate and redesigned it. Heck they had a frigate sitting right in their yard to copy, why not?
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I do have the Barrie papers. I will look and see. I did read somewhere the Psyche was sold and destroyed in 1837 but I don't remember where I read that. or if it's true.
 
Well it could be historical possible but I don't think we will ever know for sure, that is unless you have a time machine in your back pocket.

actually you can reconstruct the Psyche from historical records the "kits" that were sent can be traced back to England and the very yard they came from. You can find out the size of the frames. Study the work done at Kingston. Go through the shipyard day records held at the college in Kingston and at university libraries etc and come up with a reasonable reconstruction.
But who goes to such in depth research just to build a model?
 
As far as arguing, I argue plans, shipwrights, and your right to build anyway you want. But I learned my lesson recently to stay away from politics, even those in 1776 and 1814.
I like the people here and hope to keep everyone of you until I can't do this anymore.
 
Dave Stevens (Lumberyard) said:
Well it could be historical possible but I don't think we will ever know for sure, that is unless you have a time machine in your back pocket.

actually you can reconstruct the Psyche from historical records the "kits" that were sent can be traced back to England and the very yard they came from. You can find out the size of the frames. Study the work done at Kingston. Go through the shipyard day records held at the college in Kingston and at university libraries etc and come up with a reasonable reconstruction.
But who goes to such in depth research just to build a model?
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Again it's a matter of what you want to get out of this. I want to build a reasonable copy of the Psyche, down to the way the frames may have been put together and rested on the keel.
I know from experience that you think you know it all only to be shot down later.
I ask questions and maybe someone will answer. You to gentleman right now make me want to get up and continue drawing. Thank you
 
I do have the Barrie papers. I will look and see. I did read somewhere the Psyche was sold and destroyed in 1837 but I don't remember where I read that. or if it's true.

i never went in the Barrie direction i do not even know who he was other than a "commander" of something
 
Dave Stevens (Lumberyard) said:
Well it could be historical possible but I don't think we will ever know for sure, that is unless you have a time machine in your back pocket.

actually you can reconstruct the Psyche from historical records the "kits" that were sent can be traced back to England and the very yard they came from. You can find out the size of the frames. Study the work done at Kingston. Go through the shipyard day records held at the college in Kingston and at university libraries etc and come up with a reasonable reconstruction.
But who goes to such in depth research just to build a model?
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You may be right Dave if you have the money and time to reconstruct them, but what we come up with really be historical correct or just build what you want and be done with it because its just a hobby. One that most of us have done for 75 percent of our life. Dang that's a long time. Guess you can always hire a researcher to do it, but who can afford that. I believe I read that Hahn did that at one time. I did read a article some were that talks about what models to build and which ones to stay away from. Think I look it up and share it with you.
 
Dave Stevens (Lumberyard) said:
I do have the Barrie papers. I will look and see. I did read somewhere the Psyche was sold and destroyed in 1837 but I don't remember where I read that. or if it's true.

i never went in the Barrie direction i do not even know who he was other than a "commander" of something
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Barrie was in charge of the yard in the 20's sometime.
 
DaveF

to reconstruct you have to take everything into account

the time period, who were the guys actually doing the building, where the ship was built and why. i will first find out the names of the master shipwrights and look into their history.
Just because there were established methods and things like timbering sizes does not mean they were followed. From the hundreds and hundreds of letters back and forth between Kingston and England i think the Admiralty told Kingston we are not going to send you a boat load of ship carpenters so your on your own hire local builders even barn builders if you have to.
 
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