They did not develop anything. They are selling the same model they produced as partworks around a decade ago. They just added some extra frames and changed them to oak.
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Admiralty. Arsenal, Museum Quality, etc. It’s just hype!
The term Admiralty Model is intended to refer to the models built by Royal Navy Dockyard Personnel in the 1600’s and 1700’s. Their exact purpose is still debated. Samuel Pepys writes in his diary about wanting one. The classic Admiralty model employed a stylized framing system where parts overlapped to form a solid band partway around the girth of the hull. They were made from classic modeling woods; boxwood and pear. The two recently released Occre kits DO NOT produce anything resembling an Admiralty Model. And, why oak? While builders might enjoy building a model from the same wood as the “real thing,” they are likely to be frustrated with its stringy open grain.
Arsenal Model: Is this a term coined by Ancre for models with exposed framing? Or perhaps the French equivalent of Admiralty?
Museum Quality: Pure nonsense! The only ones that can determine if an offered ship model meets standards for addition to their collection are the museum personnel themselves. On second thought maybe these kits do produce models of a quality for SOME museums; roadside attractions?
Roger
The term Admiralty Model is intended to refer to the models built by Royal Navy Dockyard Personnel in the 1600’s and 1700’s. Their exact purpose is still debated. Samuel Pepys writes in his diary about wanting one. The classic Admiralty model employed a stylized framing system where parts overlapped to form a solid band partway around the girth of the hull. They were made from classic modeling woods; boxwood and pear. The two recently released Occre kits DO NOT produce anything resembling an Admiralty Model. And, why oak? While builders might enjoy building a model from the same wood as the “real thing,” they are likely to be frustrated with its stringy open grain.
Arsenal Model: Is this a term coined by Ancre for models with exposed framing? Or perhaps the French equivalent of Admiralty?
Museum Quality: Pure nonsense! The only ones that can determine if an offered ship model meets standards for addition to their collection are the museum personnel themselves. On second thought maybe these kits do produce models of a quality for SOME museums; roadside attractions?
Roger
In 2022 Mr. Saunier passed away. copy and paste to Google it will link you to his log: SOLEIL ROYAL 1669 by michel saunier -
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I've looked at a lot of photos of Le Soleil Royal models, and in my opinion, this one is the best. I've shown it before in this thread. https://shipsofscale.com/sosforums/...-1669-1692-le-soleil-royal.12052/#post-312307
Yes thanks..I build Admiralty style models .I interpreted the word "Sadly" to mean something had happened to the builder!
I just happened upon the Saunier post.. magnificent...very humbling for me!
Thank you for the info.. He was truly gifted.
Regarding this kit - Breakfast will find me looking at some of my 150+ youTube subscriptions - this came up as "recommended" through their algorithms.
As AL did with their Victory here is a follow up. Four are ups so far.
As AL did with their Victory here is a follow up. Four are ups so far.
Frankly, I'm not tempted, considering I've been on the HMS Victory Ed.Lim. for over a year and 4 months, same type!
As one of your members would say: The best quality in a modeler is perseverance!
too expensive
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I may be being a bit naive here but are they really likely to sell 700 of these within a short-ish timeframe? I'd have thought 100 - 200 per year would be fairly good going. This isn't the kind of kit that will be stocked in a local hobby shop, is it.
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Hi Kevin,
You're right about that. It won't be that easy. Especially as this kit is also extremely expensive. I won't be buying it in any case.
Best regards
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Do historical paintings exist of the Soleil Royal?
Great set of art work Iutar. 
When I first looked at the below I thought the main sail was on the aft side of the main mast, but it appears it is just the shadowing he included. What confused me is that it shows the wooldings. I am guessing (hope) he is just showing the sail so tight against the mast that the forms of the woolding can be seen. If that is the case the details he shows are incredible. If not........ Thoughts?
Allan
When I first looked at the below I thought the main sail was on the aft side of the main mast, but it appears it is just the shadowing he included. What confused me is that it shows the wooldings. I am guessing (hope) he is just showing the sail so tight against the mast that the forms of the woolding can be seen. If that is the case the details he shows are incredible. If not........ Thoughts?
Allan
Allan, this is a well-known classic way of sailing ships. The ship deliberately changes course and lays the sails against the wind in order to drop anchor. In this case, the sails literally hug the masts and topmasts. This method is called "laying on the topmast". After the ship has stopped, the sails are lowered. To prevent the ship from yawing at anchor, the mizzen mast sail is the last to be lowered.
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Look at the topsails. They’re definitely backwards. Second thought, maybe not just the wind pressing them back. Hard to tell.
