Oliver Cromwell, POF ,Scale 1:48 by Lawrence [COMPLETED BUILD]

Canoe21 said:
Hello Ship Mates
I am looking for information on what I believe to be the bread room on my set of plans on the Oliver Cromwell and drawn up by Harold M Hahn, somehow this just seems to big to be the bread room. Any help from my Ship Mates would be greatly appreciated, ENJOY.
Regards LawrenceView attachment 65551
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Hallo my friend,
it should be really the bread room - the british had often no bread oven on board, but had to take most of the bread and bisquits with them.
This area was the driest part of the ship. And they needed this big rooms due to the quantity.....

Take a look at this taken from Peter Goodwin´s book "The Construction and fitting oF the Sailing Man of War" - see also the book review

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iN ADDITION YOU CAN GO THROUGH THIS TOPIC.
you can find some examples - https://www.shipsofscale.com/sosfor...ballast-and-ground-tier-in-the-hold-etc.2637/
 
Hello Uwek
I do thank you very much for the wealth of information that you have provided so freely. Yes, you have convinced me that this is indeed the Bread Room, it just seemed a bit large with it being two decks high, ENJOY.
Regards Lawrence
 
Hello Uwek
I thank you very much for your information. I have been toying with the idea of building a stern lower after platform much like the Swan Class Ships. This would make building the Magazine and lower cabins much easier on a flat surface. Harold M Hahn dose does not have such a lower platform on his set of plans for the Oliver Cromwell. I was looking at building a platform of around 0.160" or 4 mm. The only problem is that the overhead is but 5'on his drawings and this would reduce the overhead to 4.5', so as not to enrage the little fellows I do believe that I will leave this alone and build upon the ships lower planking. Do you have any concerns about me doing so, ENJOY. Regards Lawrencescan0001.jpg
 
In principle I can agree, but I think they would have not reduced the space if not technically or otherwise necessary.....

Just now I found a new drawing set of the HMS Lyme, the first true 9pdr frigate at NMM
Here we can see how big the bread room was sometimes -> [K] = Bread Room

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Inboard profile plan NMM, Progress Book, volume 2, folio 381, states that an Admiralty Order dated 2 August 1748 was issued to call the new ship 'Lyme'. She was begun at Deptford Dockyard on 24 September 1747 and launched on 10 December 1748. The 'Lyme' sailed on 8 February 1749 having been fitted at a total cost of £12,282.0s.1d.

More drawings of interieur you can find find here:
http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collec...el-327533;browseBy=vessel;vesselFacetLetter=L
 
Hello Ship Mates
I again thank you all very much for all of your visits to my build log, also for your very kind words and helpful hints.

Last night I finally realized that my Oliver Cromwell had only 2 lower decks, that is excluding the well and shot locker. In my looking at the NMM Drawings on the captured Beavers Prize the after house drawings are sort of scuffed over leading me to believe that there was a deck below the Berth Deck. This should not have confused me but for some strange reason, it did. This leaves me with two decisions. 1- build my ship as she was when she was built or 2- build her as the British purposed after her capture. I am at this point kind of leaning to the larder.
To build her as my Harold M Hahn plans show would be much easier but without all of the very fine detail and cabins proposed by her capture the British, making her very similar indeed to that of a Swan Class Ship.

I do ask my Ship Mates on any points that I may have overlooked or any information or pointers that would help me in a final decision, ENJOY

Regards Lawrence
 
JosephH said:
I would say go with the 2 decks it isnt too much more work and would make the model even better
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Hello JosephH
I do thank you very much for your visit to my build log, also for your very kind words and nice comments. I do believe that you are referring to the 3 decks model. That one has the lower platform and also a few cabins along with the shot locker, ENJOY.
Regards Lawrence
 
Due to the fact, that I am preparing a Planset review of the frigate Hermione, I realized, that Jean Claude Lemineur, the author of this planset, showed a small platform in the bread room, so I thought to show this detail from the drawings (booklet), which could give you additional hints for your decision.

Take a look

Longitudinal section of the frigate
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The close up of the section around the bread room
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Bird-view showing the different "rooms" with definitions
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and the cross section showing clearly the additional floor at the bread room
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Canoe21 said:
Hello Uwek
I do thank you very much for the wealth of information that you have provided so freely.
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G'day Lawrence
I have to agree with you 100% with this statement. Uwe is a person who would do anything for another family member. He has helped me out in the past and I valed his friendship greatly.
This forum is so unique in the respect that members will spend hours on helping other members. We are so luck to be apart of this!

Regarding your build log: you are going brilliantly and I'm am astonished how fast that you're progressing, even with a very high standards of craftsmanship.
Well done my mate.
 
Hello Greg
I was starting to worry about you, thought that you may have been on a vacation or something like that, was about to send you a PM. I do thank you very much for your visit to my build log, it's always a pleasure to hear from you, and also for your very kind words and nice comments.
Yes, you are correct on Uwek, he is very helpful and has a wealth of information that he shares so willingly, nice to have him on board.
My build has come to a crawl this week, trying to make up my mind what ship I want to build, would like to build her as she was when launched but so very much detail that I love is just not there, so it looks like I will be doing the British version of the Oliver Cromwell that is below deck, this should make things very interesting. Also tied up in deciding on a Deck Clamp marking jig in order to lay out the Decks and Platforms, ENJOY.
Regards Lawrence
 
Hello Ship Mates

I again thank you all for all of your visits to my build log, for all of your very kind words and very helpful hints and a wealth of information

Well, we did have the Old Ship Yard in a bit of an uproar yesterday with trying to decide on a Deck Clamp Marking Jig.

Yesterday after my nap, I said to myself golly that is no big deal, gave my head a shake to raddle some of the cobwebs and went down to my basement workshop and built one in a couple of hours. I did make the head removable so as to use it on an external height gage, all that must be done is to build a base and a column or a stand and it is finished, ENJOY.

Regards LawrenceIMG_5233.JPGIMG_5234.JPGIMG_5235.JPGIMG_5236.JPG
 
Canoe21 said:
Hello Ship Mates

I again thank you all for all of your visits to my build log, for all of your very kind words and very helpful hints and a wealth of information

Well, we did have the Old Ship Yard in a bit of an uproar yesterday with trying to decide on a Deck Clamp Marking Jig.

Yesterday after my nap, I said to myself golly that is no big deal, gave my head a shake to raddle some of the cobwebs and went down to my basement workshop and built one in a couple of hours. I did make the head removable so as to use it on an external height gage, all that must be done is to build a base and a column or a stand and it is finished, ENJOY.

Regards Lawrence
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Hallo Lawrence,
this is looking like a very good solution to mark the levels inside of a hull. Clever idea!
I realized one main problem with all these solutions -
1) The hull has to stand or fixed definitely vertical and
2) the measurements have to be made with the base of the jig from outside the hull, independent from the hull. Means the basis can not be the top of a frame, due to the fact, that the two upper ends of every frame can be on different levels

The red arrows should be based on the same height with base from the table and not on top of the frames.
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I made the first mentioned mistake on my Salamandre with my measuring device
https://www.shipsofscale.com/sosfor...h-pof-caf-models-1-48.1739/page-21#post-37275

Many thanks for sharing your clever idea Thumbsup
 
Uwek said:
Hallo Lawrence,
this is looking like a very good solution to mark the levels inside of a hull. Clever idea!
I realized one main problem with all these solutions -
1) The hull has to stand or fixed definitely vertical and
2) the measurements have to be made with the base of the jig from outside the hull, independent from the hull. Means the basis can not be the top of a frame, due to the fact, that the two upper ends of every frame can be on different levels

The red arrows should be based on the same height with base from the table and not on top of the frames.
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I made the first mentioned mistake on my Salamandre with my measuring device
https://www.shipsofscale.com/sosfor...h-pof-caf-models-1-48.1739/page-21#post-37275

Many thanks for sharing your clever idea Thumbsup
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Hello Uwe
I do thank you very much for your visit and also for your very kind words and comments. I am taking my measurements from the False Keel on upward, also with the Hahn build board method the difference in the high of the Rib frames is taken up by the board as all the frames are fitted to the keel. I can see in your type of build that this would cause a problem, a much more challenging type of a build but mutch more rewarding the end. This is my first POF build and as I did not feel that I was up to a Swan class type of a build I decided to go the easier route, The Hahn Build Method.
You are doing a great job on your POF Build, but for me, it is a bit overpowering my skill levels, my next build could be a Swan Class build built the right side up, something for me and the little fellows to think about, ENJOY.
Regards Lawrence
 
Hello Ship Mates

I do thank you all very much for all of your visits to my build log on the little ship the Oliver Cromwell, also for your very kind words and nice comments. I also wish you all a Verry Merry Christmas and an Ever Better and Happier New Year to Come, From my Admiral the little Fellows and myself.

Back in the Old Ship Yard, we did look at the calibration on our recently built Deck Clamp and it seems to be very correct that will make the marking of the Framing Ribs much easier. For the sharp bow bend in these Deck Clamps, we have resorted to our old HMS Victory tricks and that was to soak our Cherry wood thick wood for a 1/2 hour or a bit more and then bend it around the outside of an old tomato tin can, very slowly and then clamp it in two or three places and then to let it dry overnight. This system seems to work very well for us, and not using any heat that tends to make the planks very brittle. We have also been working on the internal hull planking but had to build our Deck Clamp Gauge in order to be able to plank up to it. Then we can start to work on the Lower Aft Platform that we have decided to use after all as we kind of figure that it does add a lot of detail to our little ship. This is not that far-fetched ad this was proposed by the British after her capture, We have also decided to use false Tree Nails on the inside planking that are applied with my Scribe Point and then high lighted with a led pencil before being cleaned up with a rubber eraser. this system is much faster and being that a lot of these false treenails are a bit difficult to drill and insert the treenails, secondly, most of these tree nails will not be seen even with our planed Hull Cutouts on the Port Side. ENJOY. Regards LawrenceIMG_5237.JPGIMG_5238.JPGIMG_5239.JPG
 
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