Researching at the Royal Museums Greenwich National Maritime Museum/Ship Purchase Contract

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I am looking for the contract for HMS Speedy, Ord. 23.3.1781 according to Rif Winfield, which should be here: http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/491965.html?_ga=2.162937724.1330420089.1546475927-70646144.1537129132&_gac=1.24148424.1546277038.Cj0KCQiAmafhBRDUARIsACOKEROS7-ERw27VsZmI9BLZRnokIORY41IEgJSbM0zjgt5R7UvXZ0K2nbMaAqiREALw_wcB and in ADM/170. The trouble is, a list of the contents of this record set is not available on line. Possibly also ADM/180 at the National Archives still, but not sure of that.

I need help figuring out how to get a list of the contents of ADM/168 and ADM/170 to see if HMS Speedy, a brig-sloop floated 1782, is in it (contract and/or specs), and then how to get a pdf copy of the offline record. It should be about 5 or 6 pages. Any ideas?

***LATER ADDITION: 14 Jan 2019 RMG Greenwich replied; they do not have the Speedy contract or anything like it. Very nice of them to check for me!***
 
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I am looking for the contract for HMS Speedy, Ord. 23.3.1781 according to Rif Winfield, which should be here: http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/491965.html?_ga=2.162937724.1330420089.1546475927-70646144.1537129132&_gac=1.24148424.1546277038.Cj0KCQiAmafhBRDUARIsACOKEROS7-ERw27VsZmI9BLZRnokIORY41IEgJSbM0zjgt5R7UvXZ0K2nbMaAqiREALw_wcB and in ADM/170. The trouble is, a list of the contents of this record set is not available on line. Possibly also ADM/180 at the National Archives still, but not sure of that.

I need help figuring out how to get a list of the contents of ADM/168 and ADM/170 to see if HMS Speedy, a brig-sloop floated 1782, is in it (contract and/or specs), and then how to get a pdf copy of the offline record. It should be about 5 or 6 pages. Any ideas?
You might want contact the Greenwich museum see if they can help you,they sell paper copies of the originals.
 

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Like Zoly said already......contacting the archives can and will help - usually they are very helpful and respond.
In the specifications are usually the standard data and dimensions included, based on the specific data when the vessel of a purpose built or class was ordered.

In addition to your attempt, I will contact also a friend of mine with very good contacts to different archives and a very good library with original documents. so maybe I can help via this way......I will try my best
 

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sorry fellow ships mates things came up and I can only drop in once in a while

if the vessel your looking for has no contract then use the next best thing and find a vessel of the same time period and size. Most ships of the same size and class were built the same. I do have quite a few contracts in my personal archives.



contents of ADM/168 and ADM/170


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COME BACK SOON DAVE YOUR KNOWLEDGE IS MISSED HERE. Don
 

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David Lyons was the British version of Americas Howard Chapelle here is David's original listing of ship plans in the NMM


when I order plans I will order a photograph of the plans rather than a photo copy. some of these plans can be very large and very expensive. a photograph or high resolution scan is much cheaper and can be traced in a drawing program.

NMM00.jpgNMM01.jpgNMM02.jpgNMM03.jpgNMM04.jpgNMM05.jpgNMM06.jpgNMM07.jpgNMM08.jpgNMM09.jpgNMM10.jpgNMM11.jpgNMM12.jpgNMM13.jpgNMM14.jpgNMM15.jpgNMM16.jpgNMM18.jpgNMM19.jpgNMM20.jpgNMM21.jpgNMM22.jpgNMM23.jpgNMM24.jpgNMM25.jpg
 
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I have plans on order for Brig Sloop Speedy, which is sister to Flirt. Only Flirt is in above index but I assume they are the exact same plan and the indexer missed that but the online NMM caught it. I do have the contract for a similar sized brig sloop, but Speedy and a Flirt are a unique design so I hope their contract exists. Above material is a fantastic reference. I am seeing references in ADM 180, especially to flirt, but description is inadequate to get me to purchase copies. 1.28/2019. Got deck plans, but instead of the side profile for Speedy they sent HMS Surprise!
 
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