Staghound...Extreme clipper 1850 by rwiederrich 1/96

[WilliamM]

Its even smaller than dollhouse scale...which I think is O scale and larger.

I've run into a problem.... the drawing you made depicts pillars at the corners of the portico front and side walls. Two pillars...one from each side against each other kind looks weird...leaving a small gap between them were they join. I'm going to see if I can fill it in......

Rob

Scale is relative. 1/96 is huge compared to 1/144. 1/196, 1/350, 1.700, etc. I like ships in 1/96 scale, but they are even too large for common households. Since I prefer solid-hull ship models, both Bluejacket and Model Shipways suit me fine.

Bill

 

[GrantTyler]

Love the detail- brilliant

 

[rwiederrich]

Scale is relative. 1/96 is huge compared to 1/144. 1/196, 1/350, 1.700, etc. I like ships in 1/96 scale, but they are even too large for common households. Since I prefer solid-hull ship models, both Bluejacket and Model Shipways suit me fine.

Bill

Scale selection can be directly related to your space available to display. If you have a large collection and little space...go small. If you have the space and desire greater detail...go bigger. You can fudge detail in smaller scales....but larger scales require adept skill and accuracy.

Rob

 

[WilliamM]

Scale selection can be directly related to your space available to display. If you have a large collection and little space...go small. If you have the space and desire greater detail...go bigger. You can fudge detail in smaller scales....but larger scales require adept skill and accuracy.

Rob

I agree fully! For example, I have the old Revell plastic kit that is around 1 190 scale. We do know that there are some problems with the kit, most notably that forward most deck house, but many of the details are fixable with proper research. I believe that I have been most impressed with your level of research skill coupled with your obvious skill level when building.

Bill

 

[rwiederrich]

I agree fully! For example, I have the old Revell plastic kit that is around 1 190 scale. We do know that there are some problems with the kit, most notably that forward most deck house, but many of the details are fixable with proper research. I believe that I have been most impressed with your level of research skill coupled with your obvious skill level when building.

Bill

I build all my models in 1/96. The right size for me and my space. My Great Republic, however, is 1/128.....cuz I couldn't fit her in any room if she was built to 1/96. She'd be over 6ft long. My level of research is generally required, because I build vessels that are typically NOT made by manufacturers....and...they are rarely supported by pre-drawn plans, if not just line drawings. Me and my crew had to draw the plans and design the bulkheads...and then I made everything else from scratch. This kind of model making takes a LOT of research, and a lot of educated assessments. Thanks for coming along.

Rob

 

[WilliamM]

Rob

Believe me that I am well acquainted with historic research. I hold a Ph. D. in Maritime and Naval History, and I taught for 24 years after retiring from the Navy. I can appreciate the level of research done by you and your team, and your skill in scratch building speaks for itself. I also know that few plastic or wood manufacturers are diligent with accuracy. So, I too like building in 1/96, a common scale in solid hull building (also including Revell and Heller to some extent in plastic)).

I am currently working on Hudson's Half Moon in 1/96. It is a very old Blue Jacket kit that I recently found in an estate sale. It is bringing me back to the hobby after dealing with health issues that kept me sidelined for a few years.

I't s great to be back!

Bill

 

[rwiederrich]

Rob

Believe me that I am well acquainted with historic research. I hold a Ph. D. in Maritime and Naval History, and I taught for 24 years after retiring from the Navy. I can appreciate the level of research done by you and your team, and your skill in scratch building speaks for itself. I also know that few plastic or wood manufacturers are diligent with accuracy. So, I too like building in 1/96, a common scale in solid hull building (also including Revell and Heller to some extent in plastic)).

I am currently working on Hudson's Half Moon in 1/96. It is a very old Blue Jacket kit that I recently found in an estate sale. It is bringing me back to the hobby after dealing with health issues that kept me sidelined for a few years.

I't s great to be back!

Bill

It's good to have you back....regardless of any previous health issues you may have overcome. I'm glad for you. Having the ability to express yourself in this hobby is mentally liberating. having it diminished by a physical impairment...is the worst. The Great Republic took me over 3 years to complete....and the last model I completed(Glory of the Seas), took over 2 years. I suspect, the Staghound will employ 2~3 years as well. Throw in a Kidney stone or two and unfortunately anything else.....things could take longer. I pray the second coming happens first.

I would like to see any progress on the Half moon....when you begin. If you can.

Rob

 

[dockattner]

I pray the second coming happens first.

 

[WilliamM]

It's good to have you back....regardless of any previous health issues you may have overcome. I'm glad for you. Having the ability to express yourself in this hobby is mentally liberating. having it diminished by a physical impairment...is the worst. The Great Republic took me over 3 years to complete....and the last model I completed(Glory of the Seas), took over 2 years. I suspect, the Staghound will employ 2~3 years as well. Throw in a Kidney stone or two and unfortunately anything else.....things could take longer. I pray the second coming happens first.

I would like to see any progress on the Half moon....when you begin. If you can.

Rob

I am currently carving the bulwarks to a proper thickness before shaping the hull. Yes, I use the templates from the instructions. I will try to post photos as I go.

Bill

 

[WilliamM]

Rob,

I have also dug out the old Revell plastic kit of the Staghound thanks to your model. I compared the parts of the model against yours and found the Revell kit lacking in more than the forwardmost deck house. Needless to say, I have started drawing plans to modify Revell's Staghound. You inspired me!

Bill

 

[rwiederrich]

I am currently carving the bulwarks to a proper thickness before shaping the hull. Yes, I use the templates from the instructions. I will try to post photos as I go.

Bill

Oh.....she is a solid hull model. Getting those bulwarks to the correct thickness...evenly and cleanly can be a challenge in of itself.

Waiting for images.

Rob

 

[rwiederrich]

Rob,

I have also dug out the old Revell plastic kit of the Staghound thanks to your model. I compared the parts of the model against yours and found the Revell kit lacking in more than the forwardmost deck house. Needless to say, I have started drawing plans to modify Revell's Staghound. You inspired me!

Bill

Yes.....I have that Revell kit as well and, it was a remake of the flying Cloud kit. The forward cabin is fiction and the aft cabin in front of the portico is not correct either. Like you suggested...use my Staghound deck layout as a model for your corrections. From my research, it is as correct as one can derive from the limited information that can be attained. No photos of the ship exist. Only first hand recollections (Duncan McClean) and I made my educated assumptions, based on them.

Rob

 

[WilliamM]

Yes.....I have that Revell kit as well and, it was a remake of the flying Cloud kit. The forward cabin is fiction and the aft cabin in front of the portico is not correct either. Like you suggested...use my Staghound deck layout as a model for your corrections. From my research, it is as correct as one can derive from the limited information that can be attained. No photos of the ship exist. Only first hand recollections (Duncan McClean) and I made my educated assumptions, based on them.

Rob

Rob,

One issue does have me thinking. Ships rarely remain as designed. One can often see major alterations in any given ship throughout her career. Therefore, for the sake of accuracy, it can become a statement of making reasonable assumptions based on the best available research. Yours seems as reasonable as possible. Hence I am most impressed.

Bill

 

[rwiederrich]

Rob,

One issue does have me thinking. Ships rarely remain as designed. One can often see major alterations in any given ship throughout her career. Therefore, for the sake of accuracy, it can become a statement of making reasonable assumptions based on the best available research. Yours seems as reasonable as possible. Hence I am most impressed.

Bill

Yes, it is true. many ships undergo extensive alterations and modification to their original design and function. This fact provides modelers of said vessels with a cornucopia of options and dates to model their vessel. I have such experience, when my crew and I spent 3 years researching Glory of the Seas with the author Michael Mjelde. One model builder was suited to build Glory of the Seas as Donald McKay had originally designed her, and I chose to go the extra mile and build her at the peak of her career, when she had undergone extensive modifications in Deck structures and rigging. In essence, we were both accurately representing her during our specific time frames....though she looked strikingly different. Separated by nearly 17 years.
However, Staghound, had neither fore or aft cabins as Revell erroneously depicts at any time in her career. Her entrance and cutwater were less rounded as was her later sister Flying Cloud. She was also a bit sharper in entrance and deadrise.

Thanks for following.

Rob