The Black Pearl

jimmystratos said:
What would the working life of a ship have been in the 17th century, if not shipwrecked?
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not sure on ocean going salt water ships but on the Great Lakes not more an 4 years before frames begin to show rot and need replacing.
What shipwrights did was to pack the space between the frames with salt and that added years to the life of a ship.
 
Great thread Dave. I have always been under the impression that the "Black Pearl" was based on the "Queen Anne's Revenge" so the fact that there is some disagreement about this - just being the product of a set designers imagination - is interesting. It obviously shows some similarities to the Revenge but who can know for sure.
 
Just in case anyone is interested. And to be sure not to confuse. The version of the ZHL Black Pearl that I referenced in Post #17 above is the 2016 Golden Version. This was the highest level kit ZHL produced in 2016. I think they have since updated it to add even more details. I will repeat that the design of this kit is completely different from the Hachette, Chris Watton designs. Not even close. Anyone who argues that is not knowledgeable of model ship design and displaying behavior known as confirmation bias. The truth is very clear in the photos.

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mrshanks said:
Just in case anyone is interested. And to be sure not to confuse. The version of the ZHL Black Pearl that I referenced in Post #17 above is the 2016 Golden Version. This was the highest level kit ZHL produced in 2016. I think they have since updated it to add even more details. I will repeat that the design of this kit is completely different from the Hachette, Chris Watton designs. Not even close. Anyone who argues that is not knowledgeable of model ship design and displaying behavior known as confirmation bias. The truth is very clear in the photos.

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The hachette kit is a toy compare to ZHL version,also Zhl version was on the market earlier Lol,just read the Japanese guy website
 
mrshanks said:
Just in case anyone is interested. And to be sure not to confuse. The version of the ZHL Black Pearl that I referenced in Post #17 above is the 2016 Golden Version. This was the highest level kit ZHL produced in 2016. I think they have since updated it to add even more details. I will repeat that the design of this kit is completely different from the Hachette, Chris Watton designs. Not even close. Anyone who argues that is not knowledgeable of model ship design and displaying behavior known as confirmation bias. The truth is very clear in the photos.
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To be fair, you are not making a comprehensive comparison of ZHL offerings and Chris Watton's designs. You are using confirmation bias in your own argument purposely, or simply not fully knowledgable in the various designs of this ship. One simply needs to watch ZHL's own video: to see the irrefutable evidence that ZHL's "Top Level" Black pearl and (one of) Chris Wattons designs are too similar to be a coincidence.
Ill admit I'm no expert myself, but I won't sit here and let bad info fly without being balanced with opposing information.

That said, I came hear to learn about the Black Pearl, not argue about who copied who or didn't. I do not think that was Dave Stevens's original intent with this thread personally. Since none of us (except Dave) are ship design experts, we ought to avoid weighing-in on things outside our expertise. If Chris Watton or ZHL want to weigh in, I welcome it, otherwise lets stick to tales of the Black Pearl as a fictional vessel - like everyone's old favourite Suprise or Sophie.
 
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Ophotn said:
To be fair
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To be fair, I did not realize there were multiple versions of the Black Pearl available from ZHL. The one I have been showing and referring to is the one I own. Thank you for informing me about the one in the video. I believe it is the current top level version that came out after mine. I will research it as well. I don't mind being corrected. We are just simply researching the history of this fantasy ship and the various model kits of it.

Without a doubt my 2016 Golden Version kit from ZHL is not a 1 to 1 Chris Watton copy.
 
mrshanks said:
Without a doubt my 2016 Golden Version kit from ZHL is not a 1 to 1 Chris Watton copy.
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Agreed. I think to be balanced in the conversation of ZHL and Black Pearl, we need to be completely open to all the details. As I said, since none of us are Chris Watton or Max Zheng we should probably not make bold claims about the situation. People can decide for themselves.

To get back on topic, Ive always thought the Black pearl was based on QAR, and if I remember correctly there is even something about this in the Maritime Museum in Beaufort, NC near where the wreck of QAR was discovered - but that memory is vague. Frankly, Ive never thought it the most interesting fictional ship out there - I havent even seen the movies - too old I guess.

What I would be interested to know is if the idea of Black Pearl came before the movies or not - I mean was it part of the original Pirates of the Caribean mythology and story of the Disney attraction? Was Jack Sparrow? When I visited the attraction with my kids I did really see much that ties the two things together other than the fact that there is Pirates and its Disney.
 
since the first model drawings appeared in 2007 kits and toys of the Black Pearl appeared on the market all over the world. There are so many versions and price range from toys to advanced wooden ship kits. Some may be licensed Disney products others simply free market products who knows. The point is if Disney was at all concerned they would have nipped this in the bud, they had 13 years since the first products appeared. it would be a fools errand to track down and research every single black Pearl product or single out any one of them for any reason.
As far as the hobby of wooden ship modeling goes one kit stands above all the rest in quality and that is the kit produced by ZHL.

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the Queen Anne's Revenge and the Black Pearl were one in the same ship Both were the ship SUNSET

The Queen Anne's Revenge was portrayed by the SUNSET in On stranger tides Scenes on the Revenge's gun deck were filmed on a set constructed on a soundstage. The interior was built on B Stage at Pinewood studios In Dead Men Tell No Tales she was portrayed by a prop built at Helensvale,

When designing the Queen Anne's Revenge, production designer used baroque details, almost like which would make the ship look rich and elegant.

Before portraying the Queen Anne's Revenge, the SUNSET previously portrayed the Black Pearl, because the Black Pearl didn't "figure into the story of On Stranger Tides", the Sunset was reconstructed as the Queen Anne's Revenge.
 
We had to read the Black Pearl in 7th Grade, nothing to do with Pirates, but maybe the name was some inspiration ?

the name Black Pearl is just that a name you can not copyright a generic name like calling a tool a "hammer" can not copyright HAMMER or Black Pearl


Agreed. I think to be balanced in the conversation of ZHL and Black Pearl, we need to be completely open to all the details. As I said, since none of us are Chris Watton or Max Zheng we should probably not make bold claims about the situation. People can decide for themselves.

I agree this topic was to look into the story of how a make believe ship the Black Pearl came to life and spawned hundreds of products and like I said in the beginning it is not about who did what to who because no one cares. As stated above People can decide for themselves.

This is about the imagination and the golden years of piracy on the high seas.
if people turn this topic into a self serving platform to make a stupid and worthless point I will remove it and we will all loose a good story. So be civil on and off the forum.
 
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