The Great Republic 1:48

The GR is back in the doldrums with now wind in her sails.I ordered ten bundles of 15 each planks for the interior planking alog with a file belt sander and so far all I got was the extra belts and half of the wood. It got sort of tedious looking for things to do on the GR so I put it aside and started the American Enterprise. I will make a new build topic for that. The shipyard is still open but with a reduced crew so that's all there is to report today. Cheers!

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The GR is back in the doldrums with now wind in her sails.I ordered ten bundles of 15 each planks for the interior planking alog with a file belt sander and so far all I got was the extra belts and half of the wood. It got sort of tedious looking for things to do on the GR so I put it aside and started the American Enterprise. I will make a new build topic for that. The shipyard is still open but with a reduced crew so that's all there is to report today. Cheers!

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The Cutty Sark in the window, the GR sitting where the Bonita Grand Central power plant will be and the AE on the ways.
 
Two more weeks gone and no lumber yet but the sander did show up. It should work well for sanding the frames down to make the covering planks fit right and run smooth. I wanted to sand down the inside of the frames too but some of them would have lost a lot of meat by trying to smooth out the plank runs leaving very little material on the frames to smooth out the outside. So I ran the planks inside first and ended them wherever the height of the frame was too high to go over it.
It doesn't look too bad though and I can do some walls or something to hide the spots that are too noticeable. The work is going slow because I always have to be waiting for the glue to set up so a plank won't come undone. Takes a lot of time for that in some places. Meantime I'm looking for places to order more lumber as I've used up all of what I had and need some more.
I've worked on this thing every day for the last two weeks and there seems to be little to show for that. Planking this model sure takes a long time and I still have the whole outside to do. Looks like this model is going to take a long time to finish.
For those who may be interested this boat weighs 7.3 lbs at this point.

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I'm kinda stuck on what size dowel to get for the GR masts. The book says that the main mast, the fore mast and the bowsprit are 44" in diameter. I'm getting a figure of 2 & 7/8ths" and that scales way too big I think. Can someone show me where I'm wrong? At 1/4" = 1'0" the plans show the masts at 36". I think I should go by the specs rather than the plan because the ship was rebuilt after it burned and several dimensions were reduced. I want to build the GR to it's original size scale.
 
Sometimes scaling doesn't work all that well.
If your scale is 1/4"=1' , that means the mast would be far too large as you have indicated, since they were 44" in diameter. Her masts should be just over 3/4" in diameter. We know she had a beam of 53' that means your scaled beam should be roughly 13.25".

By cross checking....it appears 3/4" is probably close....actually probably closer to 7/8"to account for the actual size of 3.6'.

I'm no expert and most likely have things off a bit....but I have a great eye and visual comparison works well for me....so that is why I cross check many dimensions to get the best results I can. Working around scaling issues.

Hope you can pin it down till you are satisfied.

Rob
 
I agree with you Rob and I made the mistake of using the circumference instead of the diameter for the size of the dowels. There's no doubt that the masts were very large given the amount of sail she carried, over 5000 square yards I believe. The lower masts were made up as you know because there weren't any trees big enough available. There are even special step assemblies designed for these masts and I'd like to copy that If I can. I need to start cutting out knees too.. Lots of them in the hold. Still waiting for lumber. Wonder why it takes so long for stuff to get delivered? Thanks for the reply Rob.
 
The lower masts were made up as you know because there weren't any trees big enough available. There are even special step assemblies designed for these masts and I'd like to copy that If I can.
It's true trees big enough to be used as single sticks for mast these large were only available on the West coast by this time.....However, Built masts had greater sheer strength then single stick masts and so Donald McKay opted to use them on nearly all his builds. Great Republic also utilized the addition of chafing plates on the fore of each mast. I opted to actually build and turn to scale the masts on my Great Republic...other than using single stock dowel.
I'm interested in what direction you will take.

Rob
 
I guess I have although not from choice. I found out today that the shipper is waiting for one piece of the order and has now been waiting for two full weeks. I asked him to send what he has and issue a credit for the balance. Next time I think I'll try buying from the manufacturer, Midwest, and see if they will do any better.
Took a few more pictures and they show some advancement but with all the planking that is being done it's very slow going and repetitious. Doesn't look like much until you realize that from the wing keelsons up to the lower deck the ceiling is all doubled with bigger planks over the top of smaller planks. That was a lot of time consuming it doesn't show much accomplishment. The lumber I'm waiting for is for the cross beams and I'm all of of that size. Meantime I'm thinking about how to locate the hold openings, stairways to each deck and the mast steps. I think I'll use 1/16th x 1/8th decking for the three decks up to the planksheer. Maybe 1/16 x 3/16 for the weather deck. The larger size will look better I think. We'll see.
Here are a few pics up until now.

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We know this ship was loaded with a cargo of lumber the night she burned,the next day was her maiden voyage. After that what cargo would she have carried? I'm going to try and load her with a cargo as I go along. Which cargo would have gone on which deck? I would imagine the heaviest would have been the lowest and lighter stuff on succeeding decks up.The scale is 1:48 so that's the same as "O" gauge trains. Must be something there that could be used for cargo. Also would this ship have used ballast rock on her bottom floor?
 
It's High Summer now and the temps are 100 or more every day. It only goes down to 85 at night so there's a good start on the next day's high. I've mostly stayed indoors and worked on the GR since it's awful outside and some progress has been made. I'm finding that I have bitten off way more than I can chew with this model but since it's well on it's way to being built I will continue. Got into making the knees for the the lower deck beams and what a chore that is. Every knee, port, starboard or in between is slightly different than the last one. Since knees were made by matching grown tree forms, to a given angle at the deck and hull sides, how much trouble it must have been building the real ship. These are not light weight pieces either. They must have weighed hundreds of pounds if not more. I also made mast steps to bed the masts on and they did come out pretty close to the plans. Getting the ten degree rake angle will be fun as each mast hole on each deck will be in a slightly different place but all lined up for the rake. I also built in some reinforcing at the bow to support the base bowsprit piece which will be 3/4" giving the bowsprit a very strong attachment to the ship. Along with that the hatches are being built going through the lower deck with combings and removable hatch covers to keep unwary sailors from falling down on the keel. Each deck has four hatches ranging in size from 6 x 6 to 11 x 14 and all must be aligned to give a straight hole from the top deck to the lower hold so as to lower cargo without bashing it against the sides. Since there are four decks there are 16 hatches to build. I did two last night but the upper ones cant be built until the lower decks are finished first. I think I need an extra person to tell me what comes next and in what order. At least I have plenty of lumber for now but I can see some rather large orders coming up for future work.
I have to apologize for not posting more info more often. However this work does not progress very fast and there doesn't seem to be any reason to take pictures of every piece of wood that gets added. I might add that so far I have used almost $600 worth of wood from various vendors if that's of any interest. I think that I'll be interested in part ownership of a thread factory when I get to the rigging. Building this model is the most tedious and complicated as well as frustrating model that I ever have attempted but also the most exciting too. I couldn't stop building it even if I wanted to.
I just downloaded some pictures but they aren't where they should be. I'll post this and then find and post the pictures.

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Ships lumberyard for lack of any other place to put it.
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Trace one knee as many times as you need knees.
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Cut out knees on band saw because I don't have a jig saw. Sand the pieces with the oscillating drum sander to get the curve and fit to the place it's to be used. Glue it up quick before I change my mind.
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A view down one side of the ship showing one of the mast steps.
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A view down the other side of the ship showing the opposite side of the mast step. Can't tell port from stbd. from here.
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Top view of mast step.
 
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she is so big - wow - great to see the full dimensions of this project
The original ship was more than 100m long (only the hull) -> so the model of th ehulld alone is more then 2 meter long... amazing
 
Hi Uwek. The model is supposed to be seven feet long but it came out four inches longer. I think I put an extra frame in the middle and that made everything measure different from original. So now the bow is longer than it should be because I measured out the mast locations and hatch locations from the stern. Everything looks fine but the bow is a bit longer than it should be. I'll have to hide that with the jib sails I think. I hadn't planed to do the interior but since there was plenty of space in the hold I tried it anyway. Pete.
 
Lumber- Since you have a bandsaw, have you considered using some locally harvested wood? I believe that the citrus species are considered to be prime ship modeling woods. A visit to some orange groves when they are doing their pruning might yield some interesting material.

Roger
 
Thanks for that Roger but the groves are quite a bit North of me. Now if I could use tomato vines some how or pepper plants I'd be rolling in the stuff. I have tried to cut some wood with the band saw and a small table saw but that hasn't been very productive so far. I'm going to try some other ideas as soon as the rainy season is over because of the saw dust in the house. It get all over everything with the band saw . Sure would save a lot of money if I could learn how to do the cutting right.
 
Several years ago we visited an orange grove on Collier Blvd about half way between the Marco Island Bridge and I-75. Maybe contact them.

Roger
 
Several years ago we visited an orange grove on Collier Blvd about half way between the Marco Island Bridge and I-75. Maybe contact them.

Roger
Thanks for that Roger but I lived on Marco for 25 years and don't remember any groves in that area. I viewed the area from Google Earth and found nothing that could be an orange grove. Not saying it wasn't there but that area is so built up now that any grove that was there is long gone by now. However there are groves North of me that I could check with. Maybe that is a good idea to try since I'm using so much lumber. Would I have to dry the wood first? Anything that they would part with would probably be fresh cut limbs of about one inch to two inches thick and 3 feet long and fairly straight.Wonder if that's even possible?
 
My wife and I spent the month of March at the Somerset on Marco Island every year from 2005, to 2023. Probably, 2019 or 2020, we visited an orange grove on a side road to the right off Collier Blvd heading away from Marco. By now it’s probably a Beach and Golf Club.

Back in the 1970’s there was a Nautical Research Guild member who wrote a series of articles in the Nautical Research Journal about locally harvested woods suitable for ship modeling. During this time he moved from Chicago to Florida and wrote about woods that he found there. I believe that his name was Dana McCalip.

You can look on the NRG’s online journal index and order emailed copies from their office. Kurt Van Dahm at the office is a long term modeler active in Chicago area ship modeling clubs. He might remember this.

Roger
 
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