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Where to purchase full-scale drawings of the bygone era of the tall ships?
Maybe first of all can you define more clear the time period you are looking for?
Bygone era is in general a wide synonym
Thanks in advance
BTW: A warm welcome here on board of our forum
BTW2: we have a special area for books and also drawings, where you can find maybe some answers
Bygone era is in general a wide synonym
Thanks in advance
BTW: A warm welcome here on board of our forum
BTW2: we have a special area for books and also drawings, where you can find maybe some answers
Plans, Plansets, and Monographies
This Forum Discusses Plans, Plansets, Monographies
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More specifically, what ship? What size?
Yes, there are MANY plans sets available for many different ships. But without knowing what you are looking for, its hard to tell you that what you are looking for is available.
Jeff
Yes, there are MANY plans sets available for many different ships. But without knowing what you are looking for, its hard to tell you that what you are looking for is available.
Jeff
Hi Uwek, Thank you for your welcome aboard greeting.
I am looking for a scale drawing for the Bounty at 25:1. As you may know the Bounty was made in the late 1700's.
What I want to do is a machine all my wood for the build so don't rely on kits that do not have enough material to build the model. I have had to machine up a fair bit of thin wood myself to finish of kit models and thought why not make my Model of the Bounty where I could position the scale model of the Jolly Boat on her? This probably leads to the Jolly Boat model by Artesania does not follow the true design of the original Jolly Boat.
This according to the net seems to be my understanding.
The actual thought of scaling a drawing will be time-consuming but at least very rewarding. I do have a love for widdling things down to be very small along with accuracy.
I do know the build will take years to do but I hope I have the time to build it. I also know building it at the scale of 25:1 will be around 4 1/2 feet. That would take up a lot of room but I am sure a local museum would take it on after my demise.
Regards
Gary
Hi Corsair, If you read my reply to Uwek, I covered all my thoughts in my reply to Uwek there. Thanks for replying.
Regards
Gary
Hello from Western Australia
My Name is Gary Armstrong hailing from near Perth, Western Australia - Down Under:). I do have an interest in model making and have an engineering background. I am also adventurous and enjoy carving, making furniture, and doing YouTube presentations of the things I do. One model I have already...
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Thanks, Corsair that is a great start, and most obliged for your help.
Looking at this Plan of the Bounty It is very hard at this resolutions to make out what is written.
So if I get a print of this plan, is there any guarantee I will be able to gain information from it or is it a bit of a guessing game?
Since it was made in 1787, I would guess that any guarantee has long since expired. 
you can order a copy of the original drawings from the NMM in scale 1:48
BTW:
check this topic - you can find these drawings with much higher resolutions also on wikipedia
Research in National Maritime Museum Greenwich "RMG" "NMM" - 3.580 drawings now also at wikipedia
I showed already in several locations here in our forum the very interesting web-page of the Royal Museums Greenwich or the National Maritim Museum Here you can see the web-page with a research for the HMS Africa, launched in 1761 - Here contemporary drawings and plans, but also artefacts...
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go here you can order a set of Hahn plans of the bounty
https://modelshipbuilder.com/ go here to order pland
https://modelshipbuilder.com/ go here to order pland
Hi all, so after some discussion with my wife, she did not agree to me having a nearly full-scale model in the house, so after some thinking, I settled on a set of plans and parts to build the Bounty at 1:48 scale. I do thank David from the Lumberyard for sending the kit to me, and looking forward to building her.
Just remember I have no experience building a scale model of this dimension at all, but willing to give it my best shot. Having a engineering background and have built a sectional full-scale build of 9 trawlers in my fitting and machining days where we buckled in to complete nine of them for the gulf before the gulf conflict (many, many moons ago) and my love to make small things is what drives me to give it a crack. I am, sure with help from SOS members I should nail it??? 
Kurt Konrath
Kurt Konrath
If you don't have much experience with wooden scale kits, suggest you tackle some of the simple beginner kits to work up to skills needed for Bounty.
If you eventually decide on Bounty, be it kit or scratch, the 1:48 drawings from RMG are available on line for free in low resolution or you can purchase them in high resolution from them. https://www.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/search/bounty plans?_gl=1*9pnrug*_up*MQ..*_ga*MTgzNzcyNzcwNC4xNzU3NTE0ODE3*_ga_7JJ3J5DBF6*czE3NTc1MTQ4MTYkbzEkZzAkdDE3NTc1MTQ4MTYkajYwJGwwJGgw*_ga_4MH5VEZTEK*czE3NTc1MTQ4MTYkbzEkZzAkdDE3NTc1MTQ4MTYkajYwJGwwJGgw
If you are going to scratch build the world is your oyster so you can choose one of many hundreds that have not been done more times than any of us can count, IF YOU WANT TO. There are over 800 high resolution plans on the Wiki Commons site from ships boats to 1st rates and there are contracts for many ships that give dimensions of virtually every piece of the ship in the contract. The contracts are harder to come by but if this is of interest, please feel free to ask. The first page from two different contracts are below, one older written by hand and one after type-set came into use in the 18th century.
There are also scantlings from the Establishments starting in 1719 and then in several sources from the later 18th century that are all available in Scantlings of Royal Navy Ships that you might find helpful for either a scratch build or a kit build. You have a lot of helpers here, you only need ask.
Allan
If you are going to scratch build the world is your oyster so you can choose one of many hundreds that have not been done more times than any of us can count, IF YOU WANT TO. There are over 800 high resolution plans on the Wiki Commons site from ships boats to 1st rates and there are contracts for many ships that give dimensions of virtually every piece of the ship in the contract. The contracts are harder to come by but if this is of interest, please feel free to ask. The first page from two different contracts are below, one older written by hand and one after type-set came into use in the 18th century.
There are also scantlings from the Establishments starting in 1719 and then in several sources from the later 18th century that are all available in Scantlings of Royal Navy Ships that you might find helpful for either a scratch build or a kit build. You have a lot of helpers here, you only need ask.
Allan
Thanks, Guys, for the above advice, but I have made my choice and have built scaled versions of the Bounty Jolly boat, which to me how the modeling company wanted me to build the model is what I would not call, a smart model. Also, I have built a Concord Wells Fargo coach from Artesania Latina, and that also had to be built differently than what they circumspect as it was not what I call accurate, as according to how it should be done, and also the early day photographs do show.
Actually, to call the Bounty's small boat, "The Jolly Boat", that Bligh was cast off with his friends, is absolute rubbish, as according to the information out there regarding what boat/dinghy he used, especially the sail setup, and also how the planking should be done, etc.
So Kit models don't have the credit for me, maybe for the basic builder who has no interest in what history is about; these models that we create from kits are for those people. Also, I had to end up making more planks as there were not enough by a long shot to finish making the hull.
I have more than enough gear and material on hand to build a model from scratch, so that is where I leave it. Some items I have to try and buy off the internet as they are too intricate to make, ie Stern Lanterns, and also the Ship's Wheel, as I won't be buying a 3D printer or Automated Milling machines as not practicable but can make grooves in wood etc, as I have a Dremel mounted vertically, which maybe, can do the job. Need to practice that first.
However, if you want to make comment, you can leave that on my log page I will set aside on this forum, when I start the build. The comments will be most welcome. Actually, I have started, but too busy doing lots of other things as well. It will happen soon, and of course, I will do a series of Videos on YouTube showing and discussing what I do. I will leave the link in the Log as I go along.
PS: GaryPArmstrong is my YouTube website, and you can get an idea there of what I have built and refurbished over the years.
Regards
GaryA
Actually, to call the Bounty's small boat, "The Jolly Boat", that Bligh was cast off with his friends, is absolute rubbish, as according to the information out there regarding what boat/dinghy he used, especially the sail setup, and also how the planking should be done, etc.
So Kit models don't have the credit for me, maybe for the basic builder who has no interest in what history is about; these models that we create from kits are for those people. Also, I had to end up making more planks as there were not enough by a long shot to finish making the hull.
I have more than enough gear and material on hand to build a model from scratch, so that is where I leave it. Some items I have to try and buy off the internet as they are too intricate to make, ie Stern Lanterns, and also the Ship's Wheel, as I won't be buying a 3D printer or Automated Milling machines as not practicable but can make grooves in wood etc, as I have a Dremel mounted vertically, which maybe, can do the job. Need to practice that first.
However, if you want to make comment, you can leave that on my log page I will set aside on this forum, when I start the build. The comments will be most welcome. Actually, I have started, but too busy doing lots of other things as well. It will happen soon, and of course, I will do a series of Videos on YouTube showing and discussing what I do. I will leave the link in the Log as I go along.
PS: GaryPArmstrong is my YouTube website, and you can get an idea there of what I have built and refurbished over the years.
Regards
GaryA
You're a man after my own heart, Gary. Anybody who's faced the issues that are raised by so many ship model kits, and gone their own way successfully, is far better off building from scratch and, as it seems you have found, doing your own research is often as interesting as building the model itself. There are indeed many Bounty models out there, but I can understand your interest in building another one, given her history. Your engineering background will stand you in as good a stead with this build as it did with your prior ones.
Now is the time to start building your research library, if you haven't already. Unfortunately, some of the best volumes on Bounty and her period aren't the cheapest, but they do hold their value and can be resold if one wishes after they're done with them. Frankly, I'm not sure the RMG original drawings would be all that valuable to you given that they are often incomplete. I can't speak from firsthand experience about the Bounty drawings specifically, but the actual construction details are rarely available and since Bounty was bought into the service, being, I believe, a collier in her prior life, there probably never were any detailed construction drawings ever made, such details being left to the discretion of the Master Shipwright at the constructing yard. There are, of course, many more Bounty wonks in this forum who can clarify those questions as you go along.
For openers, if I were you and really serious about building a Bounty model, I would start with obtaining a copy of The Armed Transport Bounty (Anatomy of the Ship) ( https://www.amazon.com/Armed-Transport-Bounty-Anatomy-Ship/dp/0851778933) if you haven't already. There should be all the plans details you might want in there, as well as a complete history of the vessel. The Anatomy of the Ship series is designed as a "one stop shop" for ship modelers interested in the vessels featured in the series. It should be a valuable specific reference for you. You can then supplement that with other more general works on construction, rigging, and so forth as practiced by the Admiralty in Bounty's period. Fortunately, there's quite a bit of reliable general information covering that period in readily available books.
Now is the time to start building your research library, if you haven't already. Unfortunately, some of the best volumes on Bounty and her period aren't the cheapest, but they do hold their value and can be resold if one wishes after they're done with them. Frankly, I'm not sure the RMG original drawings would be all that valuable to you given that they are often incomplete. I can't speak from firsthand experience about the Bounty drawings specifically, but the actual construction details are rarely available and since Bounty was bought into the service, being, I believe, a collier in her prior life, there probably never were any detailed construction drawings ever made, such details being left to the discretion of the Master Shipwright at the constructing yard. There are, of course, many more Bounty wonks in this forum who can clarify those questions as you go along.
For openers, if I were you and really serious about building a Bounty model, I would start with obtaining a copy of The Armed Transport Bounty (Anatomy of the Ship) ( https://www.amazon.com/Armed-Transport-Bounty-Anatomy-Ship/dp/0851778933) if you haven't already. There should be all the plans details you might want in there, as well as a complete history of the vessel. The Anatomy of the Ship series is designed as a "one stop shop" for ship modelers interested in the vessels featured in the series. It should be a valuable specific reference for you. You can then supplement that with other more general works on construction, rigging, and so forth as practiced by the Admiralty in Bounty's period. Fortunately, there's quite a bit of reliable general information covering that period in readily available books.
Now I have already purchased my first part for my Library, and as you mentioned above, I have had that book in my possession for about 8 months, and that is where I scaled down the cannons to machine them. However, before I even went and made these cannons, I researched thoroughly on the net also, and there is some fantastic sites in regards to what cannons were made at the time. My research led me to believe the 4-pounder cannons Bounty had on board were the long version, as they had not made them smaller because they were made to the old standard. However, apparently, according to Harold Hahns, they were the shorter version.
So, saying this, I am in a quandary about what size they really were. So I have stuck to what John McKay has in his book. Both were around that time being altered, and if anyone really has seen or is about to see the original in Scotland or the one at Pitcairn Island, measure it and let us know.
My first venture was to purchase full-scale prints of the hull design from the Nautical Museum, Greenwich, Great Britain, and if I were building from scratch, then this is all I would need.
Cheers
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You are likely right Bob regarding the Bounty, but what are the modern drawings in the AOTS book based on if not contemporary drawings like those at RMG? She was built in 1784 and sold to the RN in 1787. The plans at RMG are dated 25 June 1787 and 19 November 1787 the latter being after she was reconfigured to carry plants so might be accurate. This includes the IB profile and deck drawings. The below is from November 1787.
Allan
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If the AOTS book provides detailed construction drawings of Bounty, I expect those would have been drawn by the AOTS book's author who would, or should, have included citations to the primary source reference material upon which he relied. In that case, I expect that his cited authorities would reveal that much of what he drew was his own educated guess. As a merchant ship originally, there's very little chance any information contained in the contemporary Admiralty Establishments would have been of any relevance to her construction details, although, if she were re-rigged in an Admiralty yard, I expect that would have been done to Admiralty standards for which, I believe, there are at least some contemporary models, if not drawings and specifications upon which it would be safe to rely. We're talking here about construction drawings only, of course. We know that there are contemporary lines drawings available which were presumably taken off when she was bought into the service and so are "as built." It appears from the drafts published on the Wikipedia page that the primary focus of the RMG contemporary drafts was a relatively minor refitting to carry breadfruit plants and little more. (See: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipe...Transport_-_Project_Gutenberg_eText_15411.jpg) She was only three or four years old at the time, so she probably hadn't changed shape much at that point., although life for a coastal collier of that period was mean, nasty, brutish, and short.
One other possibility is that some historically accurate documentation of Bounty's construction details may exist in the form of artifacts recovered and archaeological research done on Bounty's sunken remains in 1957 and thereafter. I'm not at all specifically familiar with that material, however.
Because of her fame, Bounty surely has been studied to death and as much primary source material as is extant has likely been published several times over in reputable secondary sources, so the material should be readily available to a modeler seeking it.
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