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SYREN ROPEWALK or similar : Want to buy one

Fish&Chip said:
Yeah, This guy is a perfectionnistROTF

Edit: mispelling guy by gut. Hoping this was not an offence in english.
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I can't see why that would be an offense. Beside, it was very clear it was a typo.

I have now watched a few times the video and understood why the guy was using such an amount of weight. And yes, he is a perfectionist. Open a few of the other videos and his job is truly amazing. Done by him everything looks pretty easy. But they aren't. Amazing skills he has.

Cheers
Daniel
 
Dematosdg said:
I can't see why that would be an offense. Beside, it was very clear it was a typo.

I have now watched a few times the video and understood why the guy was using such an amount of weight. And yes, he is a perfectionist. Open a few of the other videos and his job is truly amazing. Done by him everything looks pretty easy. But they aren't. Amazing skills he has.

Cheers
Daniel
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I agree. He have a lot of videos covering all the process of building more advance ship. I think que can highly recommend him, like Olha and couple of others masters here in SoS.
 
Just a short little comment: for the cost the syren ropewalk is outstanding. I have done all my rope with it (likely few miles) and still going strong. I have zero issues with it except for the gears that would be better in hard plastics or even metal, maybe the noise could be improve that way. But I will be more expensive obviously.
 
Loracs said:
Just a short little comment: for the cost the syren ropewalk is outstanding. I have done all my rope with it (likely few miles) and still going strong. I have zero issues with it except for the gears that would be better in hard plastics or even metal, maybe the noise could be improve that way. But I will be more expensive obviously.
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I agree with you, but you can't find any Syren ropewalk at all. Now I ordered the vertical ropewalk posted here. Lets see how it works
 
Domanov hanging rope walk arrived

Purchased shortly ago / sthg new in your workshop -> present it here

G'day mate I've got a Ryobi scroll saw and it's great. The results that I'm getting looks like it almost was cut on a table saw. The secret is to go slow and at median speed with a very tight blade. And the top foot rest helps a lot. Here is a photo of it. This is a cheap version compared to...
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I have one from Model Shipways and when I got it several years ago, I made a duplicate and added a fourth hook, I have made several miles on both of them. Last year I duplicated them again with slightly larger wheels. (don't want to copy exactly due to copyright infringement).
Marcus
 
Steef66 said:
There is a great tutorial here on SOS to make rope. It explains also how to avoid untwisting rope and what to do. I can cut my poly rope and don't have to seal it to avoid untwisting. It keeps in shape.
go here: https://shipsofscale.com/sosforums/threads/make-your-rope-on-a-rope-walk.9094/
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Yep I followed Steef66 tutorial and copied as best I could plus some modifications to better suit the area I would use it in. Fantastic Tutorial, Highly recommended.
Over-all it certainly solved a lot of my rope making problems. It not only makes scale rope but also multi colour cotton lanyards/bracelets for the little girls in our street. ( I let them use it and make their own, less drama ;))
 
Loracs said:
OH sorry! I did not realize that. Let us know how the vertical ropewalk work, I'm curious. Now, we will need to look for house with 15 feet ceiling (Joking).
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Ceiling height should not be a limitation with the ShipWorkshop VL vertical planetary rope spinning machine. The length of the vertical rope can be increased to any desired length by running it over a sheave or through a block or multiples thereof with the weight at its end. In that manner the vertical rope can be made to turn 90 degrees and run horizontally and then to turn 90 degrees again to the vertical or be made to turn 180 degrees upwards to a block or sheave and then turn 180 degrees down again, with the weight at the end, and so on. It may take some experimentation with the amount of weight to apply, given that the longer the length of the laid-up rope, the more it may want to stretch. Full disclosure: No, I've never done this myself. (I have the PL4) I have, however, seen pictures of such arrangements.

Properly laid up rope should not have a tendency to unravel at all. The trick is to keep the twisting forces in the strands in balance so they work against each other with even tension. The strands have to be twisted enough initially to work against each other to prevent unraveling. If the rope tends to unravel, that means you have to twist it more before you start feeding the strands together. That will require some experimentation. Tight initial twisting before "marrying" the strands makes for tightly laid rope.

Synthetic polyester thread has a greater tendency to unravel than natural fiber thread. This is because natural fibers are "fuzzy" and the "fuzz" creates a greater friction between the strands which holds them together better than the synthetic fibers which are long, unbroken, smooth extrusions and tend to slip against their smooth neighbors. (But on the other hand, polyester thread has a more realistic look to it than natural fiber scale rope because it is "crisper" and has no "fuzz.") If you use polyester thread such as Guttermann's Mara (https://www.wawak.com/thread/thread-by-brand/gutermann/), polyester thread's tendency to unravel can be eliminated by "baking" the finished rope. The ends of a finished length of rope can be melted, knotted, or tied off with a surgeon's knot with a single thread at either end before cutting to prevent unraveling when removed from the rope making machine, then wrapped around a mandrel such as a metal can without overlapping the turns of thread, and placed in an oven preheated to 350 degrees for 5 minutes. No more than 350 degrees. (Check your oven's real temperature with an oven thermometer! Don't trust the oven's built-in thermometer! They are often not accurate.) Not longer than 5 minutes. If the oven is hotter or you leave it in longer, the polyester will MELT and your rope will be ruined. (Don't ask me how I know this. :rolleyes:) The heat "teaches" the synthetic fiber to "forget" it's tendency to unwind and it will not unravel when cut.

Note: The MSW forum's "resources" drop down menu section on rope making is excellent. It's worth checking out: https://modelshipworld.com/forum/82-discussions-about-rope-making/
 
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Bob Cleek said:
Ceiling height should not be a limitation with the ShipWorkshop VL vertical planetary rope spinning machine. The length of the vertical rope can be increased to any desired length by running it over a sheave or through a block or multiples thereof with the weight at its end. In that manner the vertical rope can be made to turn 90 degrees and run horizontally and then to turn 90 degrees again to the vertical or be made to turn 180 degrees upwards to a block or sheave and then turn 180 degrees down again, with the weight at the end, and so on. It may take some experimentation with the amount of weight to apply, given that the longer the length of the laid-up rope, the more it may want to stretch. Full disclosure: No, I've never done this myself. (I have the PL4) I have, however, seen pictures of such arrangements.
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I'm reading this and my opinion about you is that you have no clue or experience with this. What you said here is impossible or at least not to do. Nonsense. You can only make vertical rope if the strands hung free. It doesn't work like horizontal ropemaking with a splitter cone. Vertical is the easiest way to make rope, but limited.
Visiting MSW is not necessary, we have here a great tutorial where all ropemakers shared their experience.
 
Guys, this is a lot of knowledge and i really appreciate the input of everyone's.

I hate rigging. I do not have patience to do it love the look of a full built ship, but it's too much for me. Besides it is also the practical side of "house space".

For years, for my small needs (cannon, anchors etc) I was just twisting 2 or 3 ropes with a drill. I was never worried about scale.

Years ago, yes, like 3 years back, I saw the Model Shipways rope walk for $35 dollars at a local hobby shop. Took it home....and never assembled it. Last month I saw the closed box and decided to give it a try. I liked the outcome, at least for my expectations. So I decided to find something that could be a little more stronger, but not really complicated. And here we are.

As soon as I have time, i will do a couple of ropes and post them here.

I ordered the Gütermann thread from Ropes of Scale this weekend. But i will use what i have now to practice.

Again, do not expect from me any professional or in scale rope. Just something that will look good for my builts, that's all.

Cheers and Thank you to all !!!! ...... lets have fun now doing some ropes. HAHAHA :-)
 
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Steef66 said:
I'm reading this and my opinion about you is that you have no clue or experience with this. What you said here is impossible or at least not to do. Nonsense. You can only make vertical rope if the strands hung free. It doesn't work like horizontal ropemaking with a splitter cone. Vertical is the easiest way to make rope, but limited.
Visiting MSW is not necessary, we have here a great tutorial where all ropemakers shared their experience.
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No need for you to form any opinion of me at all in this instance. If you had read my post carefully you should have recognized that I expressly stated that I had never used the described "pulley" method of extending the length of rope that can be made using a vertical planetary rope making device:

"It may take some experimentation with the amount of weight to apply, given that the longer the length of the laid-up rope, the more it may want to stretch. Full disclosure: No, I've never done this myself. (I have the PL4) I have, however, seen pictures of such arrangements."

Giving you the benefit of the doubt, I realize something may have been lost in the translation. Google Translate isn't always that reliable.

As I indicated, anybody who may be interested in seeing if this technique works is certainly free to experiment with it and find out.

Thanks for the tip about the SoS ropemaking tutorial. Would you be so kind as to provide the link to it. Just a tip for future reference: I understand that it may not be the custom in the Netherlands, but here in the United States, it's considered good manners to provide a link for the readers' convenience when referencing another site online.
 
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Bob Cleek said:
Would you be so kind as to provide the link to it. Just a tip for future reference: I understand that it may not be the custom in the Netherlands, but here in the United States, it's considered good manners to provide a link for the readers' convenience when referencing another site online.
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The explanation is fine, but the tale is false. Don't tell me anything about manners, then I won't tell you anything about good reading. Because then you would have already seen that link in my previous post. Yes we Dutch are sometimes very direct, but we also understand very quickly who or what we are dealing with. So far you only full of bullshit.
 
Steef66 said:
Yes we Dutch are sometimes very direct, but we also understand very quickly who or what we are dealing with.
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"sometimes"??? I am Dutch and I am "always direct". My wife has gotten used to it. We tell it like it is. NO beating around the bush, or flowery language. It may sound arrogant but is not meant to be. Sometimes when I am direct, I piss people off, but most of the time people are ok with it. Little shocked, but then they know I am not BSing around.

Marcus
 
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