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Bench Drill Press

Years ago I got two drill press options that have served my modeling needs very well. One is the Craftsman bench top drill press. Great for larger projects. The other is a Dremel multi-speed rotary tool mounted on a Dremel drill press stand. That one is on my modeling bench and I use it a lot with pin drills.
 
I agree with Bob Cleek about the Dremel drill press. I bought a Dremel drill press attachment but it wobbles and is unsteady. It is only good for larger drill bits. I would not buy it again as the it cannot hold the Dremel machine with enough stability to work properly with small or precise jobs. I should have bought the Foredom attachment or, even better, a specialized small drill press for hobby work.
 
I’m thinking about adding a bench drill press to my modeling tools but not sure which one’s a good, budget-friendly option. I also do some DIY woodworking at home, so it needs to handle both. A friend recommended Porter-Cable, but it looks like they’re not being made anymore. Anyone got experience with other brands or suggestions for gear available locally in the US?
harbor freight? maybe not the best option but great value and massively overbuilt
 
I’m thinking about adding a bench drill press to my modeling tools but not sure which one’s a good, budget-friendly option. I also do some DIY woodworking at home, so it needs to handle both. A friend recommended Porter-Cable, but it looks like they’re not being made anymore. Anyone got experience with other brands or suggestions for gear available locally in the US
OK...so when thinking about a drill press, you mentioned one thing that makes a LOT of difference when considering a drill press for your shop. That was your need to be able to use it for woodworking along with model building. What kind of woodworking? Just small stuff? Or desks, kitchen cabinets, furniture? If you are serious about woodworking, then at a minimum, a desktop model with a 3/8" or 1/2" chuck might be needed. Otherwise, for bigger stuff, a floor standing model would be best. Then, when it comes to ship modelling, a mini drill press might better suit your needs. Mini drill presses or mini mills have a limited capability when considering woodworking. But the mini mill offers so much as far as model making is concerned. On the full sized drill presses, you can add sanding drums and chisel bits for cutting square holes as well as polishing wheels for metal work. And you can always chuck up a smaller chuck for the smaller drill bits. And lastly, budget and space. Both considerations that need to be taken into account. I have a floor-standing Delta, a Proxxon Mini Mill, a drill press stand for an Arrowmax drill, a Foredom type rotary tool and a whole host of hand held drill motors. I had a counter top drill press but passed it on to my son when I got the floor model. It worked well but wasn't big enough for some of the wood and metal working I do. And don't forget, when it come to drilling metal, a drill press is a must. Hope you find what best suits you and your needs. Maybe start small then work up?dp1.jpgDP2.jpgDP3.jpg
 
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Just a thought to add:
Not all products made in China are knock-offs or of poor quality. In fact, many well-known American brands are still manufactured in China. There are definitely some cheap tools out there (and yes, the quality can be terrible),
but the key difference is who is making it, not where it’s made.

So I’d say: caution is wise, but not everything “Made in China” deserves to be dismissed outright. Just my two cents...!
I agree... My generalization was indeed way too wide. I'm sorry about that. In fact, their tooling and manufacturing capabilities are, in general, outstanding. It is indeed variable within manufacturer, not country. Thanks for the correction Jimsky.
 
I’m thinking about adding a bench drill press to my modeling tools but not sure which one’s a good, budget-friendly option. I also do some DIY woodworking at home, so it needs to handle both. A friend recommended Porter-Cable, but it looks like they’re not being made anymore. Anyone got experience with other brands or suggestions for gear available locally in the US?
1. As a starter, try the 8" desktop press from Harbor freight. Don't get the 6" model. The 6" press does not have enough clear space to insert a lot of the work.
2. If you need more accuracy than the HF 8" model provides, get a mill. Mills make great drill presses: however, more expensive. You can also add a "sensitive" drilling attachment to the mill for ultimate accuracy.
 
consider buying an old used drill press? they were built better, cast iron, sealed bearings, and accurate morse taper quills with quality jacobs 0-1/2" chucks and a heavy duty motor. i see them at garage sales n estate sales for dirt cheap prices.

the small hobby craft machines are ok consumer grade but feel like toys in comparison. tin housings, light duty motors that look like hand drill motors and cheap chucks.
 
I agree. My drill press has been chugging along since the early 1970’s. Many of these “new improved” power tools substitute glitz for the rugged dependable construction of the old timers. While a laser might be nice, it’s no substitute for rugged construction. Also, if you properly mark out and center punch before drilling you don’t need it.

Roger
 
I agree. My drill press has been chugging along since the early 1970’s. Many of these “new improved” power tools substitute glitz for the rugged dependable construction of the old timers. While a laser might be nice, it’s no substitute for rugged construction. Also, if you properly mark out and center punch before drilling you don’t need it.

Roger
I've had my Delta since 1994. It's a workhorse when needed.
 
Just a safety note for those who may not be familiar with drill presses: the average drill press today is not equipped for uses involving side-loading forces. There are a number of attachments sold, ostensibly for use in drill presses, sanding drums being one of the more common, and applications, such as milling with an X-Y table, which pose safety risks if used in drill presses. First, most drill presses do not have bearings designed to handle side loads. They are "up and down force" machines, not "sideways force" machines. Excessive side-loading can destroy the bearings, particularly in lower quality drill presses where the bearings weren't the toughest to begin with. Second, most drill press chucks are mounted on a Morse taper post which is held in the quill's matching Morse taper socket. This is a simple, but accurately machined, taper friction fit. Morse tapers aren't intended for side-loading! A side load on anything held in a spinning chuck in a drill press will almost certainly at some point cause the Morse taper to loosen and fall out of the quill socket, thereby launching at high speed the chuck and whatever's in it "into orbit." (Don't ask me how I learned this safety tip. :rolleyes: )

There are a few drill presses, the mid-century Craftsman's being one model, which do have threading on the outside face of quill which permits the attachment of a collet holder in lieu of the chuck on its Morse taper. That feature permits securely mounting mills, sanding drums, grinding tools, and the like on the quill without any risk of their disconnecting from the quill when in use. Such drill presses also have corresponding side-loading bearings.

It has also been mentioned that a milling machine makes a great drill press. Yes and no. In considering a milling machine as suitable for doing double duty as a drill press, it must be remembered that the distance between the bit and the table in either a milling machine or a drill press determines the limit of the size of workpiece it can handle. Milling machines do not have a lot of space between the spindle and table. Drill presses have far more, with the "floor models" having the far greater maximum distance than the benchtop models. If a mini-milling machine has 12" max between the spindle and table, considering the 3" length of the bit, you won't be able to use it on anything much over 9" high and if it's chuck has a 1/4" capacity, you won't be able to drill anything larger than a 1/4" holes without investing in a set of reduced shank drill bits. Those may be acceptable limits for some and not for others.
 
Just a safety note for those who may not be familiar with drill presses: the average drill press today is not equipped for uses involving side-loading forces. There are a number of attachments sold, ostensibly for use in drill presses, sanding drums being one of the more common, and applications, such as milling with an X-Y table, which pose safety risks if used in drill presses. First, most drill presses do not have bearings designed to handle side loads. They are "up and down force" machines, not "sideways force" machines. Excessive side-loading can destroy the bearings, particularly in lower quality drill presses where the bearings weren't the toughest to begin with. Second, most drill press chucks are mounted on a Morse taper post which is held in the quill's matching Morse taper socket. This is a simple, but accurately machined, taper friction fit. Morse tapers aren't intended for side-loading! A side load on anything held in a spinning chuck in a drill press will almost certainly at some point cause the Morse taper to loosen and fall out of the quill socket, thereby launching at high speed the chuck and whatever's in it "into orbit." (Don't ask me how I learned this safety tip. :rolleyes: )

There are a few drill presses, the mid-century Craftsman's being one model, which do have threading on the outside face of quill which permits the attachment of a collet holder in lieu of the chuck on its Morse taper. That feature permits securely mounting mills, sanding drums, grinding tools, and the like on the quill without any risk of their disconnecting from the quill when in use. Such drill presses also have corresponding side-loading bearings.

It has also been mentioned that a milling machine makes a great drill press. Yes and no. In considering a milling machine as suitable for doing double duty as a drill press, it must be remembered that the distance between the bit and the table in either a milling machine or a drill press determines the limit of the size of workpiece it can handle. Milling machines do not have a lot of space between the spindle and table. Drill presses have far more, with the "floor models" having the far greater maximum distance than the benchtop models. If a mini-milling machine has 12" max between the spindle and table, considering the 3" length of the bit, you won't be able to use it on anything much over 9" high and if it's chuck has a 1/4" capacity, you won't be able to drill anything larger than a 1/4" holes without investing in a set of reduced shank drill bits. Those may be acceptable limits for some and not for others.
First, what makes you think morse tapers cannot handle side loading? Virtually every lathe employs morse tapers and as you know, lathes are very much side-loading machine tools. Additionally, the quills on most drill presses are supported by ball or roller bearing which allows the chuck to spin. The bigger the chuck, the bigger the bearings. And they can certainly handle accessories like woodworking sanding drums. And those drums don't typically realize heavy side loads. Just like a mill. The up/down movement of the spindle is usually a rack and pinion with the bearings for up/down in the handle assembly. I don't think there's much to worry about as long as you have a quality drill press - but the jury might be out when ut comes to some foreign produced machine tools. I've done machining and wood working for 60 years now and haven't had a bearing failure ever. My .02 cents........
 
Phil, My Sherline lathe has a hollow spindle so when I am using a Jacob’s Chuck a bolt goes through the spindle screwing into the back of the chuck’s male Morse Taper. This draws the chuck in tight against the taper of the spindle. My milling column uses the same headstock as the lathe so collet chucks also use the same drawbolt arrangement.

The end of the spindle is also threaded and three jaw, four jaw, and a milling cutter holder thread on to the spindle.

I have had my drill press chuck fall off when subjected to side loads.

Roger
 
Phil, My Sherline lathe has a hollow spindle so when I am using a Jacob’s Chuck a bolt goes through the spindle screwing into the back of the chuck’s male Morse Taper. This draws the chuck in tight against the taper of the spindle. My milling column uses the same headstock as the lathe so collet chucks also use the same drawbolt arrangement.

The end of the spindle is also threaded and three jaw, four jaw, and a milling cutter holder thread on to the spindle.

I have had my drill press chuck fall off when subjected to side loads.

Roger
I'm used to Bridgeports and Hardinge....looked at Sherlines but didn't buy one. Nice for modelling. And I remember Taig who also had a mini mill. Fortunately, I always had access to our machine shop when I was an Tech Support Engineer at Hewlett Packard.
 
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Micro Mark sells a small hobby drill press, but it is a case of you get what you pay for, not bad, no problems, but limited in height and drill sizes.
 
the average drill press today is not equipped for uses involving side-loading forces. There are a number of attachments sold, ostensibly for use in drill presses, sanding drums being one of the more common, and applications, such as milling with an X-Y table, which pose safety risks if used in drill presses. First, most drill presses do not have bearings designed to handle side loads. They are "up and down force" machines, not "sideways force" machines. Excessive side-loading can destroy the bearings, particularly in lower quality drill presses where the bearings weren't the toughest to begin with.
I have to side with Bob on this one. I've been in the metal trades my entire life, high precision, and have noticed how the 'quality' of machinery has gone down-hill, drastically over the past twenty years, mainly with new, cheaper Chinese made equipment. Even Bridgeport is now made in China, under 'supposed' strict quality control (yeah right), and you can definitely tell the difference in quality by comparing a newer Bridgeport against an old one that was made back in 1950. It would be easier for me to tell you of the things that 'aren't' wrong with the newer machines than it would be to list all of the modern flaws. Issues with side-loads and bearings are just the tip of the iceberg. We no longer buy new Bridgeport's. Old, used and rebuilt, or re-buildable yes, maybe but 'new'... "Not no, not hell no, but "NO F*CKING WAY!" For new age needful, accurate and dependable machinery we now look towards Germany, Italy and Japan... and that stuff ain't cheap!
 
if your chuck is falling off, it wasnt seated properly.

i freeze my morse chuck, then install it with a load and leave it under load till it warms up.... (hang a weight to the handle.) btw this also centers the quill n taper.

ive never had a chuck fall off and i use my old delta drill press for milling too.
 
if your chuck is falling off, it wasnt seated properly.
i freeze my morse chuck, then install it with a load and leave it under load till it warms up.... (hang a weight to the handle.) btw this also centers the quill n taper.
ive never had a chuck fall off and i use my old delta drill press for milling too.

The textbook method of installing a Jacobs chuck on a Morse tapered post into a drill press quill socket is:

1. Clean and lightly oil the socket and taper post.
2. Screw the chuck jaws halfway open.
3. Insert the tapered post fully into the socket by hand.
4. Place a block of wood on the drill press table and lower the quill to press the chuck firmly against the block of wood.

It always goes without saying that "your mileage may always differ," ... until it doesn't. :rolleyes:
 
First, what makes you think morse tapers cannot handle side loading? Virtually every lathe employs morse tapers and as you know, lathes are very much side-loading machine tools.

Actually, most posted chucks will generally have a "Jacobs taper" rather than a "Morse taper," although most people call any taper a generically a "Morse taper." A taper post in a drill press quill is hanging vertically in the socket. The side loading tends to loosen the MT post in the socket, and it simply falls out of the socket while spinning. MT posts in lathes are horizontally oriented, so gravity isn't tending to pull them out. More importantly, when a side load is applied to a workpiece in a lathe, the MT post is most frequently held in place by pressure from the setup which is in line with the MT post, whether it be a tapered center holding a workpiece or a tapered drill bit in the tailstock pressing against the workpiece.

Lateral forces on a drill chuck on a post which may be mounted in a lathe headstock without the workpiece being held between centers can certainly cause the tapered post to loosen, although it is not prone to drop out as readily as one hanging vertically in a drill press quill. Because taper-posted chucks may occasionally be used alone in headstocks, the "Jacobs tapers" generally will have a threaded hole in the end of the tapered stock which is intended to receive a threaded drawbar to hold the chuck in the headstock and prevents it's loosening when side-loaded.
 
Colleagues! All these arguments operate under heavy loads on the machine. In our business/modelling/when the loads are usually minimal, whether the cone falls out or does not fall out does not matter much, The main thing is to decide what the machine is for, The simplest machine is enough for modeling, THE MAIN thing is the absence of the beating of the cartridge, everything else is a discussion on the topic * if grandma had wheels, then it would not be a grandmother, but a bicycle*
 
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