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Staghound...Extreme clipper 1850 by rwiederrich 1/96

Thanks Gunther. They are of our (Vlad's and mine), build of Glory of the Seas. He built her as designed, I built her at the height of her modification period.
Rich needs some images for his next NRG/MSW article. Trying not to side swipe this log too far.......but it is relevant to the subject.......I think.Cautious.

Rob
 
rwiederrich said:
Here are some closeup of my corrected forecastle after and during reconstruction.

Rob

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Rob, I seem to have misdirected the issue. Per Mike's suggestion, in my 3rd article, when appropriate, I'm contrasting Vlad's original 1869 Glory of the Seas deck layout with your 1877 revised deck layout to reveal how dramatically her appearance was altered in just 8 years. It has very little to do with forecastle heights. I scoured your site and the best comparison angles I found I shared here first. I did find one with the same angle but it's in a busy bedroom and I wasn't sure you'd appreciate me putting that particular pic in a magazine. It might be
embarrasing. If it doesn't just let me know and I'll share that one to see which looks better. For now, I just added a one-line disclaimer that at this point in your build, we had yet to discover the forecastle height error. Bonus: I managed to tilt my laptop and get a picture of figurehead Athene at her proper angle so that she's looking forward.

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Rob,
Last "side swipe" I promise and for the inconvenience, I will share an interesting discovery. Here's the other bedroom scene, which while it has your Glory raised forecastle I think the other one with just the 3 lower masts is clearer for deck comparison purposes. FYI, I've been working on article III going on 2 years now...
While research the Howes rig, I stumbled on "The Captain's Mile" in Yarmouth Port, Cape Cod, Mass. A location of over 50 sea Captain's homes. There's a 2-page pdf available as a free download.

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Great article find...for sure Rich. I will review my own images (NOT posted), and see if I have any other of her from above so you can use that too if need be. Sorry...I did think you were seeking the common correction Vlad and I had done on our separate models. I see now.

Rob
 
Hi Rob,
I'm not usually big on touring other's homes but I made an exception for the Nathaniel B Palmer home, Stonington, CT. He was the sea captain who helped rescue the scuttled Great Republic and gave her a second life. The clipper NB Palmer was designed by him and bore his name. What most interested me was the half dozen or so scale packet and clipper ship models inside. An opportunity to tour upwards of 50 sea captain's homes would present a fascinating opportunity.

Meanwhile **** STOP THE PRESSES!!!! **** I found it!!!! The elusive, AUTHENTIC 1850 CORNELIUS MCKAY CLIPPER STAG HOUND LINES PLAN!!!!!
I am in contact with Elias Trout, MIT Museum Collections. I've already signed a confidentiality agreement and paid a $15.00 research fee. I'm in reciept of a low resolution print with a large diagonal watermark on it. You can also see Cornelius McKay's signature. There's a starboard sheer plan, bow and stern body plan and ship's hull plan, as well as a small sail plan in the lower right. MIT doesn't authorize release online of the high rez watermark free document. I'm waiting for their approval to share the lower rez one. From digitally stitching images into one, it's immediately clear that both Chappelle, who's way off and Crothers have her stern profile too round. She's closer to the profile of the Flying Fish.
rwiederrich said:
Great article find...for sure Rich. I will review my own images (NOT posted), and see if I have any other of her from above so you can use that too if need be. Sorry...I did think you were seeking the common correction Vlad and I had done on our separate models. I see now.

Rob
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ClipperFan said:
Nathaniel B Palmer home, Stonington, CT. He was the sea captain who helped rescue the scuttled Great Republic and gave her a second life. The clipper NB Palmer was designed by him and bore his name.
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Interesting thing, along those lines. It was also the sea going tug, also named, the NB Palmer, was used several times that I am aware to tow Glory of the Seas in and out of New York harbor.
 
ClipperFan said:
it's immediately clear that both Chappelle, who's way off and Crothers have her stern profile too round. She's closer to the profile of the Flying Fish.
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McLean clearly states her stern is elliptical. Pretty much anything other than round. Slightly sharper curves at the outer edge and softer curve in the center. A reverse paraboloid.
 
I'm only too glad my hull version is remotely close to her original design.
No going back.
But like with Gory of the Seas...hopefully the next guy/gal can improve on what we set out to do. Make the closes replication possible.

Rob
 
rwiederrich said:
I'm only too glad my hull version is remotely close to her original design.
No going back.
But like with Gory of the Seas...hopefully the next guy/gal can improve on what we set out to do. Make the closes replication possible.

Rob
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Rob,
Since we wisely reconciled our plans with the Cornelius McKay 4' half-hull model, discrepancies with the actual plan were almost entirely eliminated. About the only difference I saw when I made a full-hull composite was her stern being less rounded than any other plan. I'm just thrilled to finally have her fully authentic, accurate lines. I plan on tracing them to produce plans that exactly match but do not violate MIT-Museum privacy policies.
 
Hey Rob,

yes, where are the pictures? Now I'm curious ...

Best regards

Günther Ship-1

P.S. I think you have to rotate the pictures beforehand. Otherwise they'll be upside down ... or sideways ...
 
rwiederrich said:
I finished up the starboard cathead and splash rail.

And where in the world is the attachment editor button located so I can rotate these images?

Rob

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Rob, I see 2 nice progress pictures oriented correctly. I saw a notice that an attachment editor is now available but no instructions as to how to find or use it. My fix in the past has been to rotate a pic on my device and repost it by trial and error until it came out right. There's a trash can icon that allows for removal of a picture and replacement. If you want help, message me and I can post pics for you.
 
ClipperFan said:
Rob, I see 2 nice progress pictures oriented correctly. I saw a notice that an attachment editor is now available but no instructions as to how to find or use it. My fix in the past has been to rotate a pic on my device and repost it by trial and error until it came out right. There's a trash can icon that allows for removal of a picture and replacement. If you want help, message me and I can post pics for you.
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Yeah..Rich I got that message too. And it turns out, *drop n drag* doesn't work vary well on a cell phone. So what I'm doing is saving images from MSW to my photos and then reposting from there to this site. No flipping or flopping of images.
Nothing worse than trying to look at a picture sideways.

Rob
 
rwiederrich said:
Yeah..Rich I got that message too. And it turns out, *drop n drag* doesn't work vary well on a cell phone. So what I'm doing is saving images from MSW to my photos and then reposting from there to this site. No flipping or flopping of images.
Nothing worse than trying to look at a picture sideways.

Rob
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The attachment editor is back. If your post has an image in it look at the bottom of the posting box...
 
Here's an April 1855 Monthly Nautical Quarterly Review Stag-Hound article which I'm unsure if I shared before. This one confirmed the Hall specs that her masts raked 1 & 1/4th" instead of the incorrectly reported 1 & 1/2" in the Boston Daily Atlas. We learned from the Cornelius McKay handwritten notes that her bowsprit raked at 4.2" and not 4 & 1/2" as also erroneously reported in the McLean article. I attribute these to "typos" and not to McLean himself. Now that we finally have her precise plans, we can clearly see her accurate mast rakes, placements and bowsprit rake. This emphasizes importance of multiple sources to confirm accuracy in research.

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