HMS ENTERPRISE 1774 by RichardJJS 1:48 scale. New Kit from M.D

[richardjjs]

I ve had another problem
Fore Orlop DEck and Partitions was Fine but for some reason the Aft Platform has been a problem - its Too High
May I suggest if its not too late Assemble the Petitions but dont glue them to the Platform until You start adding the Beams
I think it will make it easier
Taken over a week to start getting it right

Its also very difficult to finally position the Fore part of the Aft Partition until Frame 15 is ready to go in place the new O
Will post some pictures tomorrow
NOT Pretty But I am NOT going to give up
Just hoping I can afford the Next One
I am really struggling to Stand and work on it

Have a Great New Year

 

[AllanKP69]

Aft Platform has been a problem

There are two aft. Which one is causing the problem?
Allan

 

[TRS7139]

I ve had another problem
Fore Orlop DEck and Partitions was Fine but for some reason the Aft Platform has been a problem - its Too High
May I suggest if its not too late Assemble the Petitions but dont glue them to the Platform until You start adding the Beams
I think it will make it easier
Taken over a week to start getting it right

Its also very difficult to finally position the Fore part of the Aft Partition until Frame 15 is ready to go in place the new O
Will post some pictures tomorrow
NOT Pretty But I am NOT going to give up
Just hoping I can afford the Next One
I am really struggling to Stand and work on it

Have a Great New Year

Richard,
As I stated in an earlier post, you cannot rely entirely on the sheet plans for exact dimension.
After measuring heights from platform to beams, I ended up constructing partitions with almost one full strip LESS for proper dimension.
IMHO, you now have two options:1, try and trim in place....not especially easy. 2,carefully pull them out, and after measuring beam to platform, trim accordingly.
Ultimately you must check every dimension of everything before instillation. As I also stated, almost all vertical structure captured by notches for beams must be measured and adjusted for good fit to your exact hull.
Luck.

Tim

 

[richardjjs]

Richard,
As I stated in an earlier post, you cannot rely entirely on the sheet plans for exact dimension.
After measuring heights from platform to beams, I ended up constructing partitions with almost one full strip LESS for proper dimension.
IMHO, you now have two options:1, try and trim in place....not especially easy. 2,carefully pull them out, and after measuring beam to platform, trim accordingly.
Ultimately you must check every dimension of everything before instillation. As I also stated, almost all vertical structure captured by notches for beams must be measured and adjusted for good fit to your exact hull.
Luck.

Tim

Yes I agree
I am learning a lot
As you say a full plank less
I have had to bodge it
We need to get Victor to release a Kit as he produces it gto get someone like you to build it with instyctions and updated
A thousand Pound kit should have better instuction

 

[TRS7139]

Yes I agree
I am learning a lot
As you say a full plank less
I have had to bodge it
We need to get Victor to release a Kit as he produces it gto get someone like you to build it with instyctions and updated
A thousand Pound kit should have better instuction

The instructions are not bad Richard, this is a fairly complex model and you simply have to factor in that many structures and fittings come into play further down the road and adjustments are often needed, this is very important.
Overlook this simple reality, you’re headed for issues, a simple fact of modeling, especially something that gives you the potential to rival a full scratch build where, remember, in most cases without a major volume to assist, you get plans……that’s it.
I would suspect a full edited, revision of instructions would be a major, and expensive undertaking.
IMHO, gotta think 10 steps ahead, especially as the build approaches final steps.

Tim

 

[Corsair]

They have to make the parts so if there is a slight variance in the width of the hull, the beams will still fit. So, they make the piece slightly larger. So, you need to fit all the parts one by one.

 

[arban007]

Accurate instructions are certainly necessary, but in reality, model-making often tests the creator's ability to handle on-the-spot issues, their foresight in problem-solving, and their skill in making positional adjustments when assembling components! What we are dealing with now is just a kit, and the issues we encounter are generally limited to whether the design is precise, whether there are deviations during the manufacturing process, or problems in the sequence of steps. If you were to create something entirely independently, the challenges you'd face would be several times greater or even more! First and foremost, understanding the design drawings is a major hurdle. That's why model-making is a long-term activity—because it requires careful thought. We must think ten steps ahead and plan for a hundred more!

 

[richardjjs]

have had to accept i cant build models like i used to
Fitted the final lower deck beam and working on the Carlins
Yes I beleive next time I would buls the Frames fronm the middle and cut them to size in sections )Maybe as the PLans Show
Victor agrees that the Plans should show the JIG Top and this would make it easy to trim Gun POrts and then the Top of the Frames as we go
The Orlop Frames are a real problem as they are the wrong size (Too High) and need adding to the Orlop Frames as we fit the Carlins
The INstruction ARE TERRIBLE but actually better than the Instructions and Plans with my first Panart Victory which was valued 10000 pounds by the National Maritime Museum (Didnt know this till it was SOLD!

 

[richardjjs]

Just looked at the Lower DEck Again
Getting Excited Looking are the Bulkheads and other equipment
I will NOT cut the Beam Cut Outs till they are being fitted as one ogf you said a Notch rather than full Slot
Did Like the way the Orop Bulkheads exactly to size BUT THERE TOO BIG
I think much of this could be mentioned in the instructions
Like the FRAMES are over size and will need triming
THe bulk Heads are too high and will need timimmg to size
The Beams are Too LONG ETC ETC
Just so as we know
Be intersting to build those Lower DEck Bulk Heads to size as no doubt they are approximate

And for those interested the WEll should have 4 of the 3 x 3 mm strips (Deck Supports ) Slightly longer as ther crosses show on the main Lower Deck Plan And that needs to be done as the Bulkheads are constructed

Oh to be able to get some more 3 and 4 mm x 1mm to start that again

I must admit ive always said I need to be able to buy two kits - One for parctice and one for REAL

No really moaning just getting on with it

I have actually tacked some Pear Wood to Ny friend John at Caldercraft
No where near enough 4m square stuff and Ive gor 6 metres from him at 2,40 plus postage

 

[richardjjs]

As I stated in an earlier post, you cannot rely entirely on the sheet plans for exact dimension.
After measuring heights from platform to beams, I ended up constructing partitions with almost one full strip LESS for proper dimension.
IMHO, you now have two options:1, try and trim in place....not especially easy. 2,carefully pull them out, and after measuring beam to platform, trim accordingly.
Ultimately you must check every dimension of everything before instillation. As I also stated, almost all vertical structure captured by notches for beams must be measured and adjusted for good fit to your exact hull.
Luck.

Tim

yes the whole kit is just as you say a kit
Will Build the lower deck partitians and the deck supports as i go anlong
They are way out

 

[Albert Mary]

Accurate instructions are certainly necessary, but in reality, model-making often tests the creator's ability to handle on-the-spot issues, their foresight in problem-solving, and their skill in making positional adjustments when assembling components! What we are dealing with now is just a kit, and the issues we encounter are generally limited to whether the design is precise, whether there are deviations during the manufacturing process, or problems in the sequence of steps. If you were to create something entirely independently, the challenges you'd face would be several times greater or even more! First and foremost, understanding the design drawings is a major hurdle. That's why model-making is a long-term activity—because it requires careful thought. We must think ten steps ahead and plan for a hundred more!

So true. Thanks mate!

 

[TRS7139]

Well gentlemen, another cautionary note, not extremely serious but here it is.

To break things up, although I'm not done with all carlings on lower deck, mostly astern of the well, to break up the monotony of it I decided to fit some beams/carlings on the gun deck primarily to see how everything fits since. this deck will be far more visible as well as vertical structure fitting between beams.
I must say, the lodging/ hanging knees fit quite well given, I'd guess, as the frames rise, far less variance between builders and things are quite close to plan......everything fairly tight. Some small gaps on frames but completely covered by waterways.
However.... for the life of me, no proper carlings [ 2 each ] of proper length between beams 1-2, 2-3.
Not a huge deal to fab....but still have to be cut/notched.
Again, enough wood on side of parts frame to rip couple strips for matching wood.
Will post up a picture or two when finished.

Tim

 

[Corsair]

Well gentlemen, another cautionary note, not extremely serious but here it is.

To break things up, although I'm not done with all carlings on lower deck, mostly astern of the well, to break up the monotony of it I decided to fit some beams/carlings on the gun deck primarily to see how everything fits since. this deck will be far more visible as well as vertical structure fitting between beams.
I must say, the lodging/ hanging knees fit quite well given, I'd guess, as the frames rise, far less variance between builders and things are quite close to plan......everything fairly tight. Some small gaps on frames but completely covered by waterways.
However.... for the life of me, no proper carlings [ 2 each ] of proper length between beams 1-2, 2-3.
Not a huge deal to fab....but still have to be cut/notched.
Again, enough wood on side of parts frame to rip couple strips for matching wood.
Will post up a picture or two when finished.

Tim

Thanks again for the heads up. I look forward to the pics.

 

[richardjjs]

OK GUYS
Not seen any on here for a few days hope you are all OKM
Trying to find the numbers for the STEP 65 Lower DEck Wateways and Fittings
Fittings seem to be 3m square (With gratings ??)
But i assume the waterways are shaped

Thinking Ahead How are the mast Mounted - There are blocks With HOles - unnumbered which i presume go somewhere
BUT!

Thanks and happy new Year

 

[richardjjs]

REALLY not happy
Started the Lower DEck Bulkheads
They are STEP 63 and LOWER DECK BULKHEADS
No problems but
The Parts are Lettered on 63
but not on the PLan
Anyone got a later plan that shows the Letters
MY Orlop deck Bulkheads are not good as im not sure i got in right

 

[AllanKP69]

Happy New Year Richard,
Betting it is a terminology thing and FWIW there was no orlop on the Enterprise but there were three platforms, one forward and two aft with no decking below the lower gun deck midships. Are you referring to the platforms or lower deck? Neither the drawings nor contract show/make mention of an orlop deck, just the platforms, lower deck, upper deck, FC, and QD.
Allan

Lower deck


Platforms prior to being hulked as a receiving ship

 

[richardjjs]

Must be doing a different Model to me

 

[richardjjs]

Happy New Year Richard,
Betting it is a terminology thing and FWIW there was no orlop on the Enterprise but there were three platforms, one forward and two aft with no decking below the lower gun deck midships. Are you referring to the platforms or lower deck? Neither the drawings nor contract show/make mention of an orlop deck, just the platforms, lower deck, upper deck, FC, and QD.
Allan

Lower deck
View attachment 568481

Platforms prior to being hulked as a receiving ship
View attachment 568482

If you look at 63 it shows Letters for the different parts of the Bulkheads
The Plan does not show the Numbers
I think i can work it out but this is just SILLY all I need is the Plan showing the Letters (ie A - G)

 

[Corsair]

If you look at 63 it shows Letters for the different parts of the Bulkheads
The Plan does not show the Numbers
I think i can work it out but this is just SILLY all I need is the Plan showing the Letters (ie A - G)

Consider it a puzzle that you have to figure out the right parts going in the right places...
Sorry, I shouldn't be making light of your difficulties.
I'll be there in a bit if I can ever get back out to the shop. Wife has been sick with a nasty flu and I've had to take care of her and the house chores. She if finally showing some improvement!

 

[richardjjs]

Consider it a puzzle that you have to figure out the right parts going in the right places...
Sorry, I shouldn't be making light of your difficulties.
I'll be there in a bit if I can ever get back out to the shop. Wife has been sick with a nasty flu and I've had to take care of her and the house chores. She if finally showing some improvement!

glad she is getting better

There are two aft. Which one is causing the problem?
Allan

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all the compartments ob all section are two high - Others Have agreed
If we where warned it would not be a problem
Evey compartment need tailoring to its position
So ive cleaned up; the beams fitted the Waterways and trying to match the height of the compartments so they fit OK
It looks sp tacky onthe ORLOP which is what the Instructions call it
THANKS