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L'Orenoque Mamoli 1:100 scale

What ho, shipmates!

I've had a cold all week and decided to forego working (except to teach my classes:)). I also decided not to let my cold keep me from some productivity.

As you know I have a ton of brass work ahead of me. That work, happily, is for a later stage. At this point I still have much to do on the hull and there's always the work of turning masts;). So, I placed the coaling chutes and got the poop deck cap rail on - nice to see the cap rail in place. My idea was to get the aft done - caprail and davits. I had it in mind to build one of the boat kits I sourced from @Model Shipways and use its finished dimensions to help with final davit placement. Well, friends, when I opened the plastic on the boat kit I realized that I was going to have a serious scale problem with the thickness of the planks. You'll probably say - duh! Yep.

I don't know why I keep thinking to "hack" a problem on this build. Don't worry. I've given up "hacking." I'll need to carve forms for the ships boats and build them from brown grocery bag paper planks the same way I did the bateaux-tamours. Another sub-project for another phase of the build. I'll also wait to add the stern davits because I'll be handling the hull quite a bit in the near future and don't want to break them off.

So, what's next? I decided to take Martin's advice and work on the masts. In an earlier post Martin noted that the model plan seems to have the foremast taller than the main. Indeed, that it what the kit would have one do. Taking measurements from the plans of similar ships and the proprtions of the masts from the sail plans of similar ships I determined that the foremast was not the tallest mast. The main mast was tall, but not by that much. Also the foretop and maintopmasts were the same height.

I have turned all of the lower masts. The mizzen cheeks, trestle trees and cross trees are complete as is the cap. Next up - the mizzen topmast and the mizzen top. Other than as a guide, the kit suppled cheeks and top were not used. The top is very thick (3mm) and not suitable to scale.

Pics later today:p And, Paul - I am plannng to paint the trestle trees, cross tress and the doubling - GREEN! (At least, that's the plan for now). I plan to leave the tops natural wood with some black accents.

I finally got paint from which to mix the red-ochre color Martin suggested for the carriages. Obviously I've gotten carried away, but at least with the masts built I can get the channels in place and set up the lower deadeyes. I also need to spend a lot of time making and placing tiny eyebolts for all of the riggin attachment points on deck etc. Any resemblance to Grant's ricochet rabbit is purely accidentalROTF

Blessings. Peace. Gratitude.
Chuck

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Did the French put Night Life Buoys on their ships?
I wondered what these things were in a picture of Constellation in 1859 and finally found out when a fellow over in Model Ship World building HMCS Victoria 1855 was making them for his model, and posted some history on the things. I thought they were port-lights or fenders for the stern-boat.
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They were apparently used world-wide right into WWII.Now you know, you'll see them everywhere.
 
Did the French put Night Life Buoys on their ships?
I wondered what these things were in a picture of Constellation in 1859 and finally found out when a fellow over in Model Ship World building HMCS Victoria 1855 was making them for his model, and posted some history on the things. I thought they were port-lights or fenders for the stern-boat.
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They were apparently used world-wide right into WWII.Now you know, you'll see them everywhere.
Jerry! What a wonderful question! I don't know off the top of my head. I'll check my reference material :).

Blessings. Peace. Gratitude.
Chuck
 
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What ho, shipmates!

I slept badly. My mind kept workng on the model. When I got up I began looking at my sources to answer Jerry's question. Then, as I looked I remebered that a rule on this build is: doubt the kit's plans. I spent several lovely hours yesterday fabricating the mizzen top. I forgot to check whether L'Orenoque's barque rigged mizzen would have had a top.

I have been looking at pictures and looking through my Paddle Warships reference. I realize that Paddle Warships is devoted to Royal Navy ships, but many of the RN's paddle era frigates, like L'Orenoque were barque rigged. None of them show a top on the mizzen. My French Warships reference as thin as it is on the sidewheelers also shows no top on a barque rigged mizzen. Only tops on the mizzen with a ship rig.

I am led to conclude that L'Orenoque's mizzen had no top as she was never ship rigged.

What do you think.

Blessings. Peace. Gratitude.

Chuck
 
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A very good morning to you Chuck. Wow what an interesting read for the past four pages of your log. It has been a pleasure. I love the way you are scratch building so much to get accuracy and how cool is it to have positive and friendly contributors here on SOS.

You are owning this L’ Orenoque with quality work. As Paul said you have skills my friend.
Cheers Grant
 
A very good morning to you Chuck. Wow what an interesting read for the past four pages of your log. It has been a pleasure. I love the way you are scratch building so much to get accuracy and how cool is it to have positive and friendly contributors here on SOS.

You are owning this L’ Orenoque with quality work. As Paul said you have skills my friend.
Cheers Grant
Grant! Thank you for taking time to check out my progress! Thank you also for the appreciation!

Ineed, one of the primary reasons I take the time to share is the positive and friendly atmosphere. There are so many great shipmates with a wealth of knowledge to add to the joy of, as you put it so well, "owning it." Funny, but I've spent about six hours on the mast project that were lost. First the mizzen top detour and then the mystery of "The Wring Topmasts."

You already know the story of the mizzen top. But the wrong topmasts happened as a combination of doubting the plans and mismeasurement and not going back to my sources. I turned and finished the maintopmast and set it on the model. It looked stumpy. Something was off.:eek: I turned to my main resource for this class of ship, French Warships in the Age of Sail - it has a short chapter on paddlewheel ships. There I saw a fully renered sail plan of L'Oreneoque's sister, Panama. Turns out the topmasts were the same length at the masts. Glad I got that figured out :p

May the blessings never cease!

Chuck
 
What ho, shipmates!

First a few words and pictures about the rig of this class of steam-frigates. So you don't have to search the log, L'Orenoque was the last of 13 450hp steam frigates of the Darien class. The Darien class is divided into three groups. Significant here is that Panama and L'Oenoque both belonged to the third group. Magellan belonged to the second group. There is scant information about these ships. What is known is that they were generally barquentine rigged. Below is a pic of the sail plans for Magellan and Isly a 650hp ship. As you can see, Magellan is rigged as a barquentine and Isly as a barque.

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I went back to my French Warship reference book and renewed my acquaintance with Panama. She too is barquentine rigged, but the drawing supplies much more detail than the Magellan Isly plan.

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Using calipers, I checked the lengths of the topmasts - identical, and learned that the topmasts are the same length as the lower masts. Of course I will be relying heavily on this drawing for L'Orneoque's rigging.

BUT I like the barque rig better! As it turns out, the original plan of L'Orenoque that I have based my work on has a tumbnail drawing of her sail plan in the lower left corner showing the designed rig was as a barque!

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In the end, turns out my mistakes over the weekend were worth the effort! I got my masts the right lengths and I get the barque rig (another source indicates that she became a barquentine at some point soon after launching). Final note: the kit plan has the foremast a bit taller than the main. As you can see for yourself the Panama plan seems to bear that out - but keep in mind the waterline and the deckline - I think the foremast only looks taller because of the height of the deck forward. The kit plan calls for making a taller mast.

Blessings. Peace. Gratitude.
Chuck
 
Shipmates! I just have a few minutes before the Admiral and I take a visiting prof to dinner :eek: (Don't like leaving Shangri-la at anytine, bit definitely not on Sunday evening when I could be building the main and foretops or ironing shirts for next week.)

BTW this is my first ever three masted ship (so excited!!!) Some pics of the progress:

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Blessings. Peace. Gratitude.
Chuck
 
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