L'Orenoque Mamoli 1:100 scale

[The Gavel]

Paul, I don't know what internet you are using, but in my universe no supplier sells dowels made of "swiss pear, castello boxwood, Buxus macowanii (boxwood from South Africa)" I went with limewood. Please tell me I made a good call

 

[dockattner]

Paul, I don't know what internet you are using, but in my universe no supplier sells dowels made of "swiss pear, castello boxwood, Buxus macowanii (boxwood from South Africa)" I went with limewood. Please tell me I made a good call

If you look at my post I spoke of 'similar species'. Limewood is basically basswood. It is a soft wood but if you don't stain it it will be a nice creamy color which I believe is what you are looking for.

 

[The Gavel]

If you look at my post I spoke of 'similar species'. Limewood is basically basswood. It is a soft wood but if you don't stain it it will be a nice creamy color which I believe is what you are looking for.

It is European limewood - the internet said that it is a hardwood.

 

[Jimsky]

In addition to what Paul mentioned, you can make dowels from virtually any type of wood as long as you start with square stock. With a simple jig, even a basic drawplate setup, or using a threading die, you can produce dowels in almost any diameter you need. It’s a very practical solution if you want control over the wood species and grain. I just hope my search engine history (below) still has those instructional videos saved.

Google Search

 

[Martin By Eye]

Martin! Thank you! Yup - Re-do here we come!

If memory serves (I'm on campus and don't have ready access to the plans) kit-plan gives 5mm for fore and main and 4mm for mizzen. Any other dimensional information re: spars on those plans? Where am I looking and what words am I looking for? I think my L'Orenoque plans may have some info

Blessings.
Chuck

my cutty at 1/115 was running 6mm , i generally use 8mm at 1/50-1/65 and 7 on 1/78-1/100 . Let us know when you get to see the plans.
I hate re-drilling mast holes, i wish you luck if that's what you are up for !

On the right hand side of the sail plans , the last column is marked diametre, masts are "mats", but be careful because what we would call a foremast is "misaine", while what we would call a mizzen is "l'artimon" ! Yards are "vergues" , except gaff spars, "cornes"
i have rounded out slightly, no idea what you can find over there, is it all imperial or can you find metric ?
topmasts 4, mizzen topmast 3
main yards are 4.5mm, topsail yards 3.5, topgallants 2
gaff spars 2.5 gaff topsail spar 2
jib boom 3

 

[The Gavel]

In addition to what Paul mentioned, you can make dowels from virtually any type of wood as long as you start with square stock. With a simple jig, even a basic drawplate setup, or using a threading die, you can produce dowels in almost any diameter you need. It’s a very practical solution if you want control over the wood species and grain. I just hope my search engine history (below) still has those instructional videos saved.

Google Search

Jim! Thank you! The google search worked!

Blessings.
Chuck

 

[The Gavel]

my cutty at 1/115 was running 6mm , i generally use 8mm at 1/50-1/65 and 7 on 1/78-1/100 . Let us know when you get to see the plans.
I hate re-drilling mast holes, i wish you luck if that's what you are up for !

On the right hand side of the sail plans , the last column is marked diametre, masts are "mats", but be careful because what we would call a foremast is "misaine", while what we would call a mizzen is "l'artimon" ! Yards are "vergues" , except gaff spars, "cornes"
i have rounded out slightly, no idea what you can find over there, is it all imperial or can you find metric ?
topmasts 4, mizzen topmast 3
main yards are 4.5mm, topsail yards 3.5, topgallants 2
gaff spars 2.5 gaff topsail spar 2
jib boom 3

Thank goodness for my spirit-guide on this build! Martin!!! Thank you! I can almost get by with very basic conversational French - serves me right for not following through with French - although I was quite smitten by my 7th grade French teacher

I can (and just spent $100 for overnight delivery - impatience) get metric.

Blessings. Peace. Gratitude.
Chuck

 

[The Gavel]

my cutty at 1/115 was running 6mm , i generally use 8mm at 1/50-1/65 and 7 on 1/78-1/100 . Let us know when you get to see the plans.
I hate re-drilling mast holes, i wish you luck if that's what you are up for !

On the right hand side of the sail plans , the last column is marked diametre, masts are "mats", but be careful because what we would call a foremast is "misaine", while what we would call a mizzen is "l'artimon" ! Yards are "vergues" , except gaff spars, "cornes"
i have rounded out slightly, no idea what you can find over there, is it all imperial or can you find metric ?
topmasts 4, mizzen topmast 3
main yards are 4.5mm, topsail yards 3.5, topgallants 2
gaff spars 2.5 gaff topsail spar 2
jib boom 3

Martin! I'll reach out after a thorough review of the plans. New mast holes are definitely in the picture. Also I need to finish the bottoms (heels?) of the replacement masts with tenons that fit the mast steps I lovingly fitted before the hull was planked

I should have asked/confirmed - you are reading from the Magellan/Isly plans?

 

[Martin By Eye]

Yes to the plans , the barque sizes, and believe me , even after thirty years here ,my rigging french is still a bit limited !

 

[JerryTodd]

Paul, I don't know what internet you are using, but in my universe no supplier sells dowels made of "swiss pear, castello boxwood, Buxus macowanii (boxwood from South Africa)" I went with limewood. Please tell me I made a good call

Could you not find maple? You should also be able to get walnut dowels online, I use those for sheaves in blocks. I don't think you'll get large diameters like .75+ inch, but .5 inch and smaller should be available.
Who makes spars from dowels anyway?

 

[The Gavel]

Could you not find maple? You should also be able to get walnut dowels online, I use those for sheaves in blocks. I don't think you'll get large diameters like .75+ inch, but .5 inch and smaller should be available.
Who makes spars from dowels anyway?
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Jerry! Not for immediate delivery. As to your question - the answer is me .

Blessings.
Chuck

 

[The Gavel]

What ho, shipmates!

The results of tonights study:

The kit plans are off by 1mm on the diameter of the foremast and mainmast. Accurate as to the mizzen. Accurate as to the topmasts.

When I re-measured my masts - my mizzen is accurate. My mainmast is off by 1mm. My foremast is off by 2mm because I decided that the foremast would have less width. Because the lower masts are not accurate the top masts are also not accurate because of my idea to continue the taper established by the lower masts.

The Magellan/Isly plans with the help of Martin and google translate (should have had a V8) are extremely informative and fully explain the appeance that the fore mast is taller than the main. According to those plans the Panama's fore and main masts are identical. Google translate got some stuff wrong. "Basic food" is mainmast. I am assuming that the masts tapered as they rose - so the given diameter is the diameter at the bottom. If anyone posts that the diameter was uniform over the length of the spar, this will be my last post - ever

And since I work at a university - I'll also pay a visit to the romance language department

As to the yards - since I'm rigging L'Orenoque as a barque I'll have to guess at the dimenstions of the yards on the mainmast. There's some logic to the idea that if the fore and mainmasts were twins, their yards would also be twins.

I'm over due for my grog ration and I can hear Dragnet starting on the radio.

Thanks for all of your help today!

Blessings.
Chuck



A second attempt with google lens:

 

[Martin By Eye]

Ah well , at least you have an arrow in the ass of your artimon !

 

[The Gavel]

Ah well , at least you have an arrow in the ass of your artimon !

Martin! That's exactly where I've always wanted an arrrow.

 

[Martin By Eye]

Notice they have deleted the mast rake again.

 

[The Gavel]

Notice they have deleted the mast rake again.

Martin! I noticed the same thing. Makes me wonder why provide all of the detail inlcuding angles for the jib and indicate 0 rake for the masts. Wierd. I'll go with the rake angles I determined from the Descartes plan. BTW my limewood dowels arrived and they are straight and hard - hard enough

Don't know how much I'll get done this weekend - 17th Anniversary today! The Admiral and I are going out for an executive lunch as the first celebration. I know that's not a lot of time given the longevity of many of the marriages among our shipmates, but I'm working on it

Blessings. Peace. Gratitude.
Chuck

 

[BradNSW]

17th Anniversary today! The Admiral and I are going out for an executive lunch as the first celebration. I know that's not a lot of time given the longevity of many of the marriages among our shipmates, but I'm working on it

Blessings. Peace. Gratitude.
Chuck

Congratulations to you two and keep on working "on it"! You're off to a great start!!

 

[The Gavel]

Congratulations to you two and keep on working "on it"! You're off to a great start!!

Brad! Thank you!

 

[The Gavel]

What ho, shipmates! Well - time to start turning the new masts. And no matter what Paul says, I expect a prize for the most do-overs!

Trying to get it right - Origninally I set up the bowsprit with the caps at a right angle to the keel. I felt ok about this, but I was basing that arrangement on my prior experience with Enterprise, Lovely Renee and Harriet Lane. I had noticed in some paintings and drawings of French ships of the era that the arrangement was angled and the martingale was too. Taking a closer look at the Magellan drawing I noticed the same thing. It also looks like the jib boom runs the length of the bowsprit. An enlargement is below. Red arrow is the long jib boom - am I seeing it correctly? Yellow line is how I set up the cap on my other builds. Blue line follows the plan and correlates to historical images. Follow the blue line, right?

 

[AllanKP69]

I went with limewood. Please tell me I made a good call

As it is a model hardness is probably not much of a factor and color as mentioned may be more important to you. For comparison, South American castello hardness is 1,810 lbf and European limewood (Tilia x europaea) is from 310–700lbf on the Janka scale.
Allan