Bowsprit of Soleil Royal

[Guillaume Saucier]

Hi everyone!
I read somewhere in SOS that Soleil Royal'S bowsprit was of center to the right, as customary of 17th century war ships.
Is this true? does anyone have a picture of the front of SR to show the layout?
I'm building it right now and I need the info soon, to make modifications if necessary....

 

[AllanKP69]

Bonjour Guillaume
IF, and that is a big if I remember correctly someone asked the Musée national de la Marine in Paris about this some years ago and they gave a response. I have no idea what that was as it has been a long time. If you contact them, hopefully they will have an answer for Soleil Royal. Have you studied photos of the Jean-Baptiste Tanneron model of SR held by the museum? There appears to be an offset but difficult to tell without asking the curator staff.
Allan

 

[Guillaume Saucier]

Bonjour Guillaume
IF, and that is a big if I remember correctly someone asked the Musée national de la Marine in Paris about this some years ago and they gave a response. I have no idea what that was as it has been a long time. If you contact them, hopefully they will have an answer for Soleil Royal. Have you studied photos of the Jean-Baptiste Tanneron model of SR held by the museum? There appears to be an offset but difficult to tell without asking the curator staff.
Allan

Thank you very much Allen!!
I spent about 6 hours on internet, wasa museet, Pinterest, model ship world, the finished gallery of models of SOS, and all I can see is centred bowsprit.......

 

[-Waldemar-]

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I read somewhere in SOS that Soleil Royal'S bowsprit was of center to the right, as customary of 17th century war ships.

I spent about 6 hours on internet, wasa museet, Pinterest, model ship world, the finished gallery of models of SOS, and all I can see is centred bowsprit...

I have heard that soon everything will also be on TikTok, but for now, this specific information is quite easy to find in written and graphic 17th-century French sources, along with some additional interesting comments.

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[AllanKP69]

I spent about 6 hours on internet, wasa museet, Pinterest, model ship world, the finished gallery of models of SOS, and all I can see is centred bowsprit...

You are to be commended for doing the research. I am curious to see you post information that you find from the curators if you can reach out to them.

 

[Guillaume Saucier]

You are to be commended for doing the research. I am curious to see you post information that you find from the curators if you can reach out to them.

I just sent a request to the Musée de la marine in Paris. We'll see if they reply. I sent a request to Ancre company for plans a month ago, and had no feedback at all. I 'll keep you posted on my quest.

 

[WojtasS]

I just sent a request to the Musée de la marine in Paris. We'll see if they reply. I sent a request to Ancre company for plans a month ago, and had no feedback at all. I 'll keep you posted on my quest.

I don't think you'll get any answers from Ancre. Try asking @GuyM or @Hubac’s Historian. They know this subject very well.

 

[Guillaume Saucier]

I don't think you'll get any answers from Ancre. Try asking @GuyM or @Hubac’s Historian. They know this subject very well.

Nice having a chat with another model enthusiast!
Ah!! sorry to be rude, but so, Ancre company are jerks!HAHAHA!! thanks for letting me know, I won't waste one more second with them.

 

[Pepite 1/60]

This is a monography of a somewhat smaller French ship of the same period. Hope this helps. There seems to be no English notice.

monographs

boutique.aamm.fr

 

[WojtasS]

Nice having a chat with another model enthusiast!
Ah!! sorry to be rude, but so, Ancre company are jerks!HAHAHA!! thanks for letting me know, I won't waste one more second with them.

They are not jerks. They deserve respect for collecting a wealth of historical information in one place that we, as modelers, have easy access to. Besides, if you really want more information about SR you can buy monoraph about L'Ambitieux or go through

https://shipsofscale.com/sosforums/...tial-scratch-build-by-hubac’s-historian.4330/
You'll find a lot of knowledge there. but you have to dig it on your own

THE THREE-DECKER of the Chevalier DE TOURVILLE- 1680 - Ancre

The Chevalier de Tourville's THREE-DECKER SHIP 1680.

ancre.fr

The Saint-Philippe -1693 - Ancre

This monograph is dedicated to one of the most prestigious vessels of Louis XIV Navy. 45 large format plates showing the full description of the vessel. The monograph weighs 4.5 kg!

ancre.fr

 

[Guillaume Saucier]

They are not jerks. They deserve respect for collecting a wealth of historical information in one place that we, as modelers, have easy access to. Besides, if you really want more information about SR you can buy monoraph about L'Ambitieux or go through

https://shipsofscale.com/sosforums/threads/soleil-royal-by-heller-an-extensive-modification-and-partial-scratch-build-by-hubac’s-historian.4330/
You'll find a lot of knowledge there. but you have to dig it on your own

THE THREE-DECKER of the Chevalier DE TOURVILLE- 1680 - Ancre

The Chevalier de Tourville's THREE-DECKER SHIP 1680.

ancre.fr

The Saint-Philippe -1693 - Ancre

This monograph is dedicated to one of the most prestigious vessels of Louis XIV Navy. 45 large format plates showing the full description of the vessel. The monograph weighs 4.5 kg!

ancre.fr

Thing is, in 2026, just replying a few words would show a little respect, and a months time is enough. I am a musician, and I suffered a little from talented people who treated everyone like S--t, just because they are great.... Ancre are AMAZING, but treating potential customers like they do (or so it seems) doesn't cut it for me.....

 

[Guillaume Saucier]

Thing is, in 2026, just replying a few words would show a little respect, and a months time is enough. I am a musician, and I suffered a little from talented people who treated everyone like S--t, just because they are great.... Ancre are AMAZING, but treating potential customers like they do (or so it seems) doesn't cut it for me.....

Thanks for your time and help, by the way. MUCH appreciated. Talk to you soon hopefully.
Greetings from Québec!!

 

[Guillaume Saucier]

This is a monography of a somewhat smaller French ship of the same period. Hope this helps. There seems to be no English notice.

monographs

boutique.aamm.fr

Thank you very much Pepite!