I think they look pretty darn good! The paint should take care of any minor imperfections.
Allan
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Absolutely! Much better Grant.
Thank you very much Russ and Allan. It has been a steep learning curve and loads of fun cutting these from a big plank. Hopefully it uwill all look good when all is done - I still have a long climb ahead before we pop that champagne or whiskey. I will have a single malt Dalwhinnie once done
. Cheers Grant
Looks like you are heading in the right direction, Grant. Again, beware the curving hull effect near the bow when forming these guys...
Thanks Paul. I will do now that you have made me aware of it. At the moment I am doing the midship strakes. A question - those strakes at the bow. Clearly I have to notch these to fit the rabbet. I have read that these need to be thinned as well. At what point does this occur and do I make these a top and butt pattern or do I use straight strakes around the bend?
I know I have plenty of shaping to do even on these midship strakes, including some chamfering but slowly slowly I hope I get these right. I want to have these on my ship and not revert to the regular straight wales- we shall see. Cheers Grant
As far as I can tell the wales are thinned to fully seat in the rabbet. That is, on English ships they are not notched at all. At the point the wales enter the rabbet they are the same thickness as the surrounding planking. I have not observed this on ships of French origin, however, so this may not be universally true.
On the Kingfisher I started the thinning in the region of the hawse holes but I may have done it wrong. It just looked natural to do it that way for me.
Well, I have seen the top and butt pattern run all the way to the stem and I have seen the top and butt pattern drop off earlier. Here is the problem you face: you either have to edge bend or spile the top and butt planks to get around the bow. I can't seem to make edge bending a reliable solution so I always spile these curved planks. BUT...to preserve the top and butt pattern via spiling requires suitable stock (your walnut) and cardstock patterns carefully prepared and then transferred to your walnut planking panel...
The good news is there is warrant for abandoning the top/butt pattern from David Antscherl. See the image below:
I still prepared these wale pieces via spiling - but I did abandon the top/butt pattern as I approached the bow.
Look at the two of us...talking about ships like we know what the $%^&* we are talking about
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.Thanks - you have provided the solution to all my problems…..well my ship building ones.
. I think I will adopt the easiest (if such a thing exists) of the options but I have plenty to think about. Thank you kindly. Cheers Grant
Good morning Gentlemen. I am going to drive you guys crazy. Some more unfinished business……..
I got tired of cutting my walnut top and butt planks so decided to see if using walnut panels on my main cabin would look nice. Only the main cabin will have these. Cut out some rough veneer:
I will add some dividing and inner panels to this as well. I think it will look cool.
I also cut out some planks around the main mast for my unfinished chain pumps. I still need to add the second duct under the pumps as we will see these and do the nails on the chocks and cross partners so these planks are not glued yet.
Ricochet Rabbit is on top form.
Cheers Grant
. Some more unfinished business……..I got tired of cutting my walnut top and butt planks so decided to see if using walnut panels on my main cabin would look nice. Only the main cabin will have these. Cut out some rough veneer:
I will add some dividing and inner panels to this as well. I think it will look cool
.I also cut out some planks around the main mast for my unfinished chain pumps. I still need to add the second duct under the pumps as we will see these and do the nails on the chocks and cross partners so these planks are not glued yet.
Ricochet Rabbit is on top form
.Cheers Grant
Walnut paneling will look great though not sure about paneling being used during that time period.
Grant,
Daniel certainly has a good point. Why don't you try etching some lines into those panels??
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And worse; I fell for it...Look at the two of us...talking about ships like we know what the $%^&* we are talking about
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Still, it sure does look nice.
Thanks Gunther. Let’s hope it continues to do so.Hey Grant,
Please make three walnut panels for me too...
That looks really great. Brilliant. Very nice photos...
Thanks Daniel and John. You guys are correct. The bulwark planks extended into the cabin with just the stern and the screen bulkhead being paneled. The Enterprise was painted white .
Way later on they added panels like the current Victory cabin - probably for tourist attraction. See pic post #993.
I really don’t like the maple wood colour of my bulkwark planks into the cabin and I’m not painting these so I will add a bit of “tourist attraction
“ into my cabin. I will include some inner panels once I have worked out where my hanging knees will go. The kit hanging knees are too short so will have to make these. Thank you kindly. I agree it makes for better coals on the braaiIt's a success!
Adding hardwood to model increases its calorific value!
Keep it up, better fuel- longer burns
As they say Johan….fake it till you make it…And worse; I fell for it...
I hope it will come out good in the end- a little poetic license makes for fun times.
Cheers Grant
You are absolutely right about this. It is so simple, yet most, if not all, kits fail to show or explain it.
Allan
Good afternoon from a sunny Cape Town.
“Sweat are the uses of adversity which, like the toad, ugly and venomous, wears yet a precious jewel in his head.”
So some more ugly - I hope that jewel will rise soon.
Progress on the wales. Note to myself: Don’t attempt a scratch build until some decent cutting and milling tools are bought. My hand cuts are miserable to say the least
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WIP
Stained with Indian ink to try and have the top and butt pattern visible. I did not use any scarf joints on the smaller top wale.
In line with the style of the ship I am leaving some gaps and incomplete planks.
I also chose the gap where a dropper plank will go so I did not have to make one……
I have not finished at the back as my wales are different to the kit (I tried to get them more accurate) so I need to check how the quarter cabin and stern fit with my wales first. Some gaps will be left open here as well.
The wales are tinned at the rabbet so all planks are the same width. I will have to do more sanding here as the same width is too short.
The main wale is thicker than the top wale and the first plank laid. I was totally over cutting pieces of wood from the timber I bought so the planks under the wale are not made top and butt pattern. The wale is 3mm think and the top wale and first plank 2mm.
Some close ups and we can see the top and butt pattern if we look carefully.
You may notice I have also decided to redo my gunports , I don’t like the red and my lintels and sill need a redo.
Cheers Grant
“Sweat are the uses of adversity which, like the toad, ugly and venomous, wears yet a precious jewel in his head.”
So some more ugly - I hope that jewel will rise soon
.Progress on the wales. Note to myself: Don’t attempt a scratch build until some decent cutting and milling tools are bought. My hand cuts are miserable to say the least
.WIP
Stained with Indian ink to try and have the top and butt pattern visible. I did not use any scarf joints on the smaller top wale.
In line with the style of the ship I am leaving some gaps and incomplete planks.
I also chose the gap where a dropper plank will go so I did not have to make one……
I have not finished at the back as my wales are different to the kit (I tried to get them more accurate) so I need to check how the quarter cabin and stern fit with my wales first. Some gaps will be left open here as well.
The wales are tinned at the rabbet so all planks are the same width. I will have to do more sanding here as the same width is too short.
The main wale is thicker than the top wale and the first plank laid. I was totally over cutting pieces of wood from the timber I bought so the planks under the wale are not made top and butt pattern. The wale is 3mm think and the top wale and first plank 2mm.
Some close ups and we can see the top and butt pattern if we look carefully.
You may notice I have also decided to redo my gunports , I don’t like the red and my lintels and sill need a redo.
Cheers Grant
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Grant you are being a bit hard on yourself, but sometimes that can be fopr the good. I really like what you have done so far, but equally I am sure the changes you make will make things even better. I guess it is to do it as you like it.
Respect JJ..
PS That was some win over the sheep shaggers.
Respect JJ..
PS That was some win over the sheep shaggers.
Your wales look great Grant. Nothing wrong with them imho.
Was Indian ink applied one time or do you need to apply it several times?
You are right you will need cutting and milling tools, but most of my work is still done with a scroll saw for the rough work and hours and hours of filing by sight to get a good fit. But no one is 'accusing' me of an efficient working method.
Was Indian ink applied one time or do you need to apply it several times?
You are right you will need cutting and milling tools, but most of my work is still done with a scroll saw for the rough work and hours and hours of filing by sight to get a good fit. But no one is 'accusing' me of an efficient working method
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The planking with the butt pattern is looking very nice, Grant. With and without the blackening. Your scratch skills are improving more and more.Good afternoon from a sunny Cape Town.
“Sweat are the uses of adversity which, like the toad, ugly and venomous, wears yet a precious jewel in his head.”
So some more ugly - I hope that jewel will rise soon
Progress on the wales. Note to myself: Don’t attempt a scratch build until some decent cutting and milling tools are bought. My hand cuts are miserable to say the least
WIP
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Stained with Indian ink to try and have the top and butt pattern visible. I did not use any scarf joints on the smaller top wale.
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In line with the style of the ship I am leaving some gaps and incomplete planks.
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I also chose the gap where a dropper plank will go so I did not have to make one……
I have not finished at the back as my wales are different to the kit (I tried to get them more accurate) so I need to check how the quarter cabin and stern fit with my wales first. Some gaps will be left open here as well.
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The wales are tinned at the rabbet so all planks are the same width. I will have to do more sanding here as the same width is too short.
View attachment 561911
The main wale is thicker than the top wale and the first plank laid. I was totally over cutting pieces of wood from the timber I bought so the planks under the wale are not made top and butt pattern. The wale is 3mm think and the top wale and first plank 2mm.
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Some close ups and we can see the top and butt pattern if we look carefully.
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You may notice I have also decided to redo my gunports , I don’t like the red and my lintels and sill need a redo.
Cheers Grant
Regards, Peter